Message from @pratel

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2018-07-30 23:21:55 UTC  

The left is always trying to tell itself to emphasize unity and complains it lacks unity itself.

2018-07-30 23:22:03 UTC  

No, but you're going to have to realize that the right is not the left. They are made up of people who think in fundamentally different ways. You're just trying to get the right to emulate the left and I'm pointing out they can't do so. It's against what makes them conservative.

2018-07-30 23:22:46 UTC  

I think you can rally people to a collective goal if the sitution is clear enough.

2018-07-30 23:23:12 UTC  

If the right became a mob of collectivist pod people shouting slogans and wearing identical t-shirts i wouldn't want to have anything to do with them.

2018-07-30 23:23:15 UTC  

"There's no libertarians or social conservatives in the academy" is going to attract two groups of people.

2018-07-30 23:23:24 UTC  

I'd rather act like insurgents.

2018-07-30 23:23:39 UTC  

Ok. So what do you plan to do?

2018-07-30 23:24:07 UTC  

I'm not going to discuss what I am doing.

2018-07-30 23:24:12 UTC  

Not in an open forum.

2018-07-30 23:24:23 UTC  

I like the idea of insurgents. But the habit seems to be to pretend that you'll take the management position in a company. And then you discover you can't just act unilaterally and nothing actually happens.

2018-07-30 23:24:49 UTC  

@Atkins well, I can't make you trust me. But if you want to talk, we can try to set up some kind of encrypted channel.

2018-07-30 23:25:19 UTC  

I might be wrong in how I think this could be played. But I feel very strongly that there is fundamentally no discussion of tactics among anyone other than the far left.

2018-07-30 23:25:40 UTC  

And the tactics discussion *needs* to happen or the far left will always dictate the norms of society.

2018-07-30 23:26:08 UTC  

PM me if you want to try and set something up.

2018-07-30 23:26:37 UTC  

sum good ole game theory would be a good idea XD get a bit of a stride for the right

2018-07-30 23:27:05 UTC  

although ppl on the right dont seem liek the kind to be willfully ignorant about game theory

2018-07-30 23:27:14 UTC  

its just not a part of common parlance

2018-07-30 23:27:45 UTC  

Honestly, in my experience alot of people on the right tend to be pretty apathetic to anything that doesn't get hits on Rush Limbaugh.

2018-07-30 23:28:16 UTC  

It depends alot on what kind of right you're talking about though. Not everyone is the same.

2018-07-30 23:28:37 UTC  

XD lol yeah very true lol even just in the US theres many kinds of right-wingers

2018-07-30 23:28:41 UTC  

Intersectionality was originally developed in the 80s precisely because far left activists struggled to keep people together.

2018-07-30 23:28:49 UTC  

then u look at international politics and yep

2018-07-30 23:29:13 UTC  

Libertarians are very flexible and can be rather bold. But they also tend to be little too fundamentalist in strategy and can't unify on anything.

2018-07-30 23:29:34 UTC  

Law and order conservatives want to fade into the background, let law enforcement solve everything and just watch football.

2018-07-30 23:29:41 UTC  

Already you can see the conflict.

2018-07-30 23:29:55 UTC  

XD yeah the whole authority thing

2018-07-30 23:30:18 UTC  

Rockefeller conservatives are important as they hold the resources but are completely flaky and bend under pressure easily.

2018-07-30 23:30:31 UTC  

They'll do whatever they can to get ahead.

2018-07-30 23:30:44 UTC  

yeah i mean gotta follow the green brick road so to speak

2018-07-30 23:31:03 UTC  

Classical liberals haven't settled into a form yet. But I'm guessing they'll be somewhere between the libertarians and conservatives.

2018-07-30 23:31:07 UTC  

especially when you already have that much money

2018-07-30 23:31:26 UTC  

I mean, they are literally conservatives because they don't want to pay taxes.

2018-07-30 23:31:37 UTC  

It's not exactly like they're complicated people.

2018-07-30 23:31:56 UTC  

And on stuff like social issues they'll fall to whatever they can brownnose with best.

2018-07-30 23:32:16 UTC  

yeah for real 😛 wherever they can stick that nose to get favours/lax regulations

2018-07-30 23:32:35 UTC  

Now we've got the reactionaries. Who would be the natural analog to the radical left, but they're rather toxic and lack any sense of discipline or PR.

2018-07-30 23:33:27 UTC  

Everyone knows the Alt-Right is toxic and more likely to harm themselves and anyone associated with them, but the Alt-right isn't going to shut up either.

2018-07-30 23:33:30 UTC  

yeah i mean reacting willy nilly to everything, even if selectivley moderated, isnt very organised

2018-07-30 23:33:48 UTC  

no matter how much you moderate your reactions/what you react to

2018-07-30 23:34:19 UTC  

To some extent anarchy is good. But oyu have to be able to specify specific goals and reach them.

2018-07-30 23:34:29 UTC  

yeah the alt right is like the loud special kid in the back of the class everyone feels too akward to tell to their face to shut up