Message from @RyeNorth

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2018-08-02 18:22:42 UTC  

If you don't like the NYT or WaPo, as I don't, let them become more extreme.

2018-08-02 18:23:49 UTC  

Alinsky tactics does involve them becoming more extreme, provided they don't give up

2018-08-02 18:28:02 UTC  

NYT will hire racists as long as they are their kind of racists.

2018-08-02 18:30:46 UTC  

I'm coming of the stance you have to be hard on these kinds of things. We say what happened when *The Atlantic* tried to hire Kevin Williamson with the endorsement of Ta Nesti Coates no less.

I'm coming to think it may be the only way to really force the issue to a truce.

2018-08-02 18:32:34 UTC  

Underrated story.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/alice-b-lloyd/why-colleges-are-sticking-with-obama-era-title-ix-guidance

Everything you need to know is in the title. The DoE has rescinded the Title IX sexual assault guidance and the higher ed sector has essentially basically pledged over the last year to keep the Title IX procedures they developed for sexual assault. #Resist.

2018-08-02 18:33:20 UTC  

The survey the article is written on: http://www.abajournal.com/files/APCO_Title_IX_survey.pdf

2018-08-02 18:33:25 UTC  

^ more reliable.

2018-08-02 18:40:26 UTC  

I don't particularly care that the NYT hires racist writers. They should be able to hire whoever they want. It just discredits them even further

2018-08-02 18:44:21 UTC  

depends of what her job is. if she is just writing... maybe don't give her articles that involve certain people...

2018-08-02 19:05:03 UTC  

she's an editor. she reads other peoples writing and decides what stays in or goes out.

It's a step above a mere writer.

2018-08-02 19:07:47 UTC  

the line from NYT and herself was that she made these tweets in a trolling fashion (against people who were harassing her) and that she didn't mean it

2018-08-02 19:08:06 UTC  

believable / not believable?

2018-08-02 19:08:07 UTC  

Yeah, that's what I get from it too.

2018-08-02 19:08:34 UTC  

i agree that context matters, but when its someone the left doesnt like, context doesnt always apply. seems like a bit of a double standard

2018-08-02 19:09:49 UTC  

But as someone who holds the principle that context is important, do you think that sacrificing your principles to get a desired effect is good?

2018-08-02 19:09:57 UTC  

poor acosta

2018-08-02 19:10:41 UTC  

I see it as witting hypocrisy.

2018-08-02 19:11:02 UTC  

generally i would say no, one should avoid sacrificing their principles unless the circumstances are extreme

2018-08-02 19:11:10 UTC  

this i wouldnt count as extreme

2018-08-02 19:11:42 UTC  

I mean, there are plenty of right-leaning individuals willing to resort to Alinksy tactics.

2018-08-02 19:12:03 UTC  

I'm sort of okay with that, especially since they're people I don't associate myself with

2018-08-02 19:12:12 UTC  

link to alinsky explanation? not familiar

2018-08-02 19:12:13 UTC  

Alinsky isn't a bogeyman

2018-08-02 19:13:08 UTC  

Saul Alinsky?

2018-08-02 19:13:13 UTC  

Saul Alinsky is a socialist writer, and author of the book Rules for Radicals

2018-08-02 19:13:14 UTC  

Yes

2018-08-02 19:13:55 UTC  

It's not possible to win anymore without such tactics.

2018-08-02 19:14:07 UTC  

A lot of people treat it as some sort of cursed book. It's really mundane, but offers decent advice about changing the status quo

2018-08-02 19:14:19 UTC  

So you can either choose to use them and compete, or retain the moral high ground and lose.

2018-08-02 19:14:24 UTC  

Rules for Radicals is overrated imo.

2018-08-02 19:14:30 UTC  

I'd agree yeah

2018-08-02 19:14:37 UTC  

My perception is that it is not possible to win, then.

2018-08-02 19:14:49 UTC  

No, it's possible.

2018-08-02 19:14:53 UTC  

I don't think Alinsky tactics are some sort of moral failing

2018-08-02 19:15:00 UTC  

But it's a difficult, challenging game.

2018-08-02 19:15:05 UTC  

Resorting to the same tactics used against you in a battle of principles

2018-08-02 19:15:13 UTC  

is a pyrric victory at it's core.

2018-08-02 19:15:50 UTC  

It's a fair assessment. And you're right, you have to temper your movements with principle.

2018-08-02 19:16:05 UTC  

But in some sense it's also a prisoner's dilemma.

2018-08-02 19:16:07 UTC  

i don't know about "the press" but acosta is very much an "enemy of the people"