Message from @Ehzek
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The concepts stem from intelligence
No, because stupid people still know right from wrong
Which still stems from intelligence
Right and wrong are absolute concepts. Though not everything is necessarily right or wrong, what is right is right.
Of weighing consequence vs gain
It's an absolute concept. You can't be a little pregnant
Morality isnt absolutely though
And for you to say, it's righteous to "do unto others..." then where does that come from? Where did the idea first originate?
Isn't it? So are you saying there is an instance in which murder, rape, theft, etc are okay?
It came from the clever philosophers who wrote the bible
Where did those philosophers get the idea?
There is a difference between mala in se and mala prohibita
And what makes malum in se?
For instance is raping a child the same as being called a rapist for not reading a girls mind that she isnt comfortable
A tax collector, a fisherman, and a doctor who followed some new age philosopher?
Its the difference between things that are cleary wrong from things like speeding tickets
Also it all dates back to Socrates. Hardly new age
So the day before Socrates was born, it was okay to do something?
Socrates and other philosophers have influenced more than religion in many aspects
Okay so they are the origin of morality?
You say these ideas go back to Socrates
Just like love still existed before the word did
Or pain or comfort
Who lived from 470 BC to 399 BC.
The Code of Ur Nammu was written around 2100 BC and includes things like, don't murder
And they were a western religion?
Judaism and Christianity aren't Western religions in your definition either
But you're deflecting
Socrates died 399 BC. The oldest discovered "written" law to date was chiseled 2100 BC
But the origin of the current study of morality is based on Socrates
In it, it forbids murder, robbery, rape, kidnapping, lying, and so on
Which are mala en se
Things people have always regarded as wrong
So where did the Sumerians get the idea? WHY did people always regard them as wrong?
They got it from intelligence
Where did that intelligence come from?
Those thing have always been short term in their gains and far more detrimental
The intelligence came from learning
Learning how? Reading? So prior to the invention of writing, no morality could exist?
Even animals will not engage in many of those things alone