Message from @Ehzek

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2018-06-27 01:55:20 UTC  

The concepts stem from intelligence

2018-06-27 01:55:40 UTC  

No, because stupid people still know right from wrong

2018-06-27 01:55:53 UTC  

Which still stems from intelligence

2018-06-27 01:56:01 UTC  

Right and wrong are absolute concepts. Though not everything is necessarily right or wrong, what is right is right.

2018-06-27 01:56:07 UTC  

Of weighing consequence vs gain

2018-06-27 01:56:18 UTC  

It's an absolute concept. You can't be a little pregnant

2018-06-27 01:56:48 UTC  

Morality isnt absolutely though

2018-06-27 01:57:07 UTC  

And for you to say, it's righteous to "do unto others..." then where does that come from? Where did the idea first originate?

2018-06-27 01:57:34 UTC  

Isn't it? So are you saying there is an instance in which murder, rape, theft, etc are okay?

2018-06-27 01:57:42 UTC  

It came from the clever philosophers who wrote the bible

2018-06-27 01:57:57 UTC  

Where did those philosophers get the idea?

2018-06-27 01:58:05 UTC  

There is a difference between mala in se and mala prohibita

2018-06-27 01:58:57 UTC  

And what makes malum in se?

2018-06-27 01:59:21 UTC  

For instance is raping a child the same as being called a rapist for not reading a girls mind that she isnt comfortable

2018-06-27 01:59:39 UTC  

A tax collector, a fisherman, and a doctor who followed some new age philosopher?

2018-06-27 01:59:57 UTC  

Its the difference between things that are cleary wrong from things like speeding tickets

2018-06-27 02:00:45 UTC  

Also it all dates back to Socrates. Hardly new age

2018-06-27 02:01:24 UTC  

So the day before Socrates was born, it was okay to do something?

2018-06-27 02:02:12 UTC  

Socrates and other philosophers have influenced more than religion in many aspects

2018-06-27 02:02:29 UTC  

Okay so they are the origin of morality?

2018-06-27 02:03:02 UTC  

The concept as we study it not as an intangible aspect

2018-06-27 02:03:19 UTC  

You say these ideas go back to Socrates

2018-06-27 02:03:29 UTC  

Just like love still existed before the word did

2018-06-27 02:03:47 UTC  

Or pain or comfort

2018-06-27 02:03:50 UTC  

Who lived from 470 BC to 399 BC.

2018-06-27 02:04:20 UTC  

The Code of Ur Nammu was written around 2100 BC and includes things like, don't murder

2018-06-27 02:04:48 UTC  

And they were a western religion?

2018-06-27 02:05:22 UTC  

Judaism and Christianity aren't Western religions in your definition either

2018-06-27 02:05:33 UTC  

But you're deflecting

2018-06-27 02:06:06 UTC  

Socrates died 399 BC. The oldest discovered "written" law to date was chiseled 2100 BC

2018-06-27 02:06:45 UTC  

But the origin of the current study of morality is based on Socrates

2018-06-27 02:07:00 UTC  

In it, it forbids murder, robbery, rape, kidnapping, lying, and so on

2018-06-27 02:07:16 UTC  

Which are mala en se

2018-06-27 02:07:30 UTC  

Things people have always regarded as wrong

2018-06-27 02:07:57 UTC  

So where did the Sumerians get the idea? WHY did people always regard them as wrong?

2018-06-27 02:08:11 UTC  

They got it from intelligence

2018-06-27 02:08:28 UTC  

Where did that intelligence come from?

2018-06-27 02:08:48 UTC  

Those thing have always been short term in their gains and far more detrimental

2018-06-27 02:09:01 UTC  

The intelligence came from learning

2018-06-27 02:09:35 UTC  

Learning how? Reading? So prior to the invention of writing, no morality could exist?

2018-06-27 02:09:40 UTC  

Even animals will not engage in many of those things alone