Where did those philosophers get the idea?

There is a difference between mala in se and mala prohibita

And what makes malum in se?

For instance is raping a child the same as being called a rapist for not reading a girls mind that she isnt comfortable

A tax collector, a fisherman, and a doctor who followed some new age philosopher?

Its the difference between things that are cleary wrong from things like speeding tickets

Also it all dates back to Socrates. Hardly new age

So the day before Socrates was born, it was okay to do something?

Socrates and other philosophers have influenced more than religion in many aspects

Okay so they are the origin of morality?

The concept as we study it not as an intangible aspect

You say these ideas go back to Socrates

Just like love still existed before the word did

Or pain or comfort

Who lived from 470 BC to 399 BC.

The Code of Ur Nammu was written around 2100 BC and includes things like, don't murder

And they were a western religion?

Judaism and Christianity aren't Western religions in your definition either

But you're deflecting

Socrates died 399 BC. The oldest discovered "written" law to date was chiseled 2100 BC

But the origin of the current study of morality is based on Socrates

In it, it forbids murder, robbery, rape, kidnapping, lying, and so on

Which are mala en se

Things people have always regarded as wrong

So where did the Sumerians get the idea? WHY did people always regard them as wrong?

They got it from intelligence

Where did that intelligence come from?

Those thing have always been short term in their gains and far more detrimental

The intelligence came from learning

Learning how? Reading? So prior to the invention of writing, no morality could exist?

Even animals will not engage in many of those things alone

Oh yes they will

Animals rape, kill, eat each other, steal, a whole list of things

What animal only rapes?

What animals only kill with no need to eat?

Surplus killing is rare in animals

Ducks, geese, bottlenose dolphins, chimps, orangutans

Rape isnt common in animals nor is wanton murder

It bears too much risk

And therefore is wrong

Up to half of all matings of orangutans are rape