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Discord ID: 461992017006952488


2018-06-28 20:18:53 UTC  

Father Francisco López de Mendoza Grajales

2018-06-28 20:18:57 UTC  

That was his name

2018-06-28 20:24:13 UTC  

I went to it three years ago, it was pretty awesome

2018-06-28 20:24:34 UTC  

It's in Florida btw, not Georgia

2018-06-28 20:27:25 UTC  

Oh. My bad lol.

2018-06-28 20:27:37 UTC  

Gah I should know that too

2018-06-28 20:27:39 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451601956755210241/461991089054679075/200px-Da_Qin_Pagoda.jpg

2018-06-28 20:27:48 UTC  

This is on my bucket list

2018-06-28 20:27:59 UTC  

It's usually referred to in the west as a Buddhist pagoda

2018-06-28 20:28:11 UTC  

Yeah it looks like it.

2018-06-28 20:28:15 UTC  

But it's well known in China for what it really is

2018-06-28 20:28:46 UTC  

Old catholic place?

2018-06-28 20:29:03 UTC  

It faces east. Buddhist and Taoist temples only face north or south

2018-06-28 20:29:06 UTC  

I know Christianity spread to the east.

2018-06-28 20:29:12 UTC  

Interesting.

2018-06-28 20:29:14 UTC  

Actually it's Nestorian

2018-06-28 20:29:31 UTC  

Not familiar with that term.

2018-06-28 20:29:54 UTC  

There's a painting of the nativity on the walls inside

2018-06-28 20:30:11 UTC  

I've been to two Buddhist temples. They don't have nativity scenes.

2018-06-28 20:30:24 UTC  

Yeah. Wouldn’t make sense to have one.

2018-06-28 20:31:20 UTC  

Nestorians believed that there was a distinction between the human nature and divine nature of Jesus

2018-06-28 20:32:10 UTC  

Nestorius who came up with the idea was the Patriarch of Constantinople in the 5th century

2018-06-28 20:33:00 UTC  

So it was deemed heresy, and his followers moved eastward, as far as China, and built the church in the photo in 640 AD

2018-06-28 20:33:15 UTC  

Oh that’s cool.

2018-06-28 20:34:28 UTC  

The Tang Dynasty was cool with Christianity, but later dynasties persecuted it severely

2018-06-28 20:34:47 UTC  

Still do, don’t they?

2018-06-28 20:34:52 UTC  

Chinese that is.

2018-06-28 20:35:25 UTC  

Not since Mao died

2018-06-28 20:35:45 UTC  

It's a foregone conclusion to them that God exists, just like gravity

2018-06-28 20:35:52 UTC  

Always has been

2018-06-28 20:36:07 UTC  

Meaning they believe God exists?

2018-06-28 20:36:38 UTC  

Dunno if you could necessarily call them Christian, but the existence of God, Jesus, and Heaven are just as accepted as the rotation of the earth

2018-06-28 20:37:32 UTC  

Church however, isn't a big thing. The only legal churches are government agencies basically

2018-06-28 20:37:46 UTC  

Interesting. I thought I had read recent government persecution of Christian churches in China.

2018-06-28 20:37:56 UTC  

Three Self Patriotic Movement for Protestants, and Chinese Patriotic Catholic Church for us

2018-06-28 20:38:18 UTC  

The problem is that the government doesn't see any difference in church and nonchurch

2018-06-28 20:38:26 UTC  

It doesn't get a special respect or status

2018-06-28 20:38:40 UTC  

Ah

2018-06-28 20:39:20 UTC  

Officially to join the party you must be atheist. And party membership is required for any higher government position or "elected" office

2018-06-28 20:40:32 UTC  

Interesting that their society accepts God as real, but also accepts that their rulers renounce God.

2018-06-28 20:40:51 UTC  

To non-believers there, or even just people who don't practice Christianity, being Christian is something of a novelty to them. When I met my wife's family and she told them I'm Catholic, they automatically assumed I must be a good guy