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2018-06-28 20:29:12 UTC  

Interesting.

2018-06-28 20:29:14 UTC  

Actually it's Nestorian

2018-06-28 20:29:31 UTC  

Not familiar with that term.

2018-06-28 20:29:54 UTC  

There's a painting of the nativity on the walls inside

2018-06-28 20:30:11 UTC  

I've been to two Buddhist temples. They don't have nativity scenes.

2018-06-28 20:30:24 UTC  

Yeah. Wouldn’t make sense to have one.

2018-06-28 20:31:20 UTC  

Nestorians believed that there was a distinction between the human nature and divine nature of Jesus

2018-06-28 20:32:10 UTC  

Nestorius who came up with the idea was the Patriarch of Constantinople in the 5th century

2018-06-28 20:33:00 UTC  

So it was deemed heresy, and his followers moved eastward, as far as China, and built the church in the photo in 640 AD

2018-06-28 20:33:15 UTC  

Oh that’s cool.

2018-06-28 20:34:28 UTC  

The Tang Dynasty was cool with Christianity, but later dynasties persecuted it severely

2018-06-28 20:34:47 UTC  

Still do, don’t they?

2018-06-28 20:34:52 UTC  

Chinese that is.

2018-06-28 20:35:25 UTC  

Not since Mao died

2018-06-28 20:35:45 UTC  

It's a foregone conclusion to them that God exists, just like gravity

2018-06-28 20:35:52 UTC  

Always has been

2018-06-28 20:36:07 UTC  

Meaning they believe God exists?

2018-06-28 20:36:38 UTC  

Dunno if you could necessarily call them Christian, but the existence of God, Jesus, and Heaven are just as accepted as the rotation of the earth

2018-06-28 20:37:32 UTC  

Church however, isn't a big thing. The only legal churches are government agencies basically

2018-06-28 20:37:46 UTC  

Interesting. I thought I had read recent government persecution of Christian churches in China.

2018-06-28 20:37:56 UTC  

Three Self Patriotic Movement for Protestants, and Chinese Patriotic Catholic Church for us

2018-06-28 20:38:18 UTC  

The problem is that the government doesn't see any difference in church and nonchurch

2018-06-28 20:38:26 UTC  

It doesn't get a special respect or status

2018-06-28 20:38:40 UTC  

Ah

2018-06-28 20:39:20 UTC  

Officially to join the party you must be atheist. And party membership is required for any higher government position or "elected" office

2018-06-28 20:40:32 UTC  

Interesting that their society accepts God as real, but also accepts that their rulers renounce God.

2018-06-28 20:40:51 UTC  

To non-believers there, or even just people who don't practice Christianity, being Christian is something of a novelty to them. When I met my wife's family and she told them I'm Catholic, they automatically assumed I must be a good guy

2018-06-28 20:41:16 UTC  

Because in their view, every Christian follows Christian principles. Don't lie or steal etc

2018-06-28 20:41:23 UTC  

Oh

2018-06-28 20:41:27 UTC  

Interesting.

2018-06-28 20:43:15 UTC  

Their lack of church worship comes from antiquity. The early Chinese followed the exact same religion as pre-Mosaic Hebrews. This is accepted as simple historical fact to them

2018-06-28 20:43:58 UTC  

And of course Abraham didn't go to church

2018-06-28 20:45:00 UTC  

So the act of Sunday worship and going to church never became important to them, since they lacked a Bible and basically just learned about God by oral tradition

2018-06-28 20:45:35 UTC  

"God is in heaven and can see what you do, so be good, don't make him mad or your life is gonna suck" is pretty much their whole religion for centuries

2018-06-28 20:45:38 UTC  

Really? That’s neat.

2018-06-28 20:46:41 UTC  

They often call it "heaven worship" and for them there's a very blurry distinction between God and Heaven

2018-06-28 20:46:48 UTC  

So would they have gotten their “Hebrew” traditions from like the Tower of Babel split?

2018-06-28 20:47:06 UTC  

In fact their word for God is just "Lord of heaven"

2018-06-28 20:50:09 UTC  

Yeah basically

2018-06-28 20:50:50 UTC  

I suppose the first of them may have realized "this tower was a bad idea, I should probably go worship God now and not be an idiot"

2018-06-28 20:51:48 UTC  

Yeah lol