Greek and Roman paganism was beautiful.

But all religion is god awful, it should all be represented as mythology, and considered ancient culture. @Deleted User

Greek and Roman religion involved cult prostitution, homosexuality, and human sacrifice.

Christianity, and even Ehzek will agree with this, is THE foundation of western civilization and far from being god awful, is the source of the majority of western arts and sciences.

I don't deny it wasn't the foundation. However, we can transcend mytholigical beliefs and still adhere to a moral code.

Why? Because it shows that Christian lifestyles produce a healthy life.

Nope, you can't, because then morality is subjective

So you agree that God's morals are simply a whim of his

They're also not mythological. In fact the Christian miraculous events make a lot more sense than things that science has proven completely false, like life coming from nonlife

Well I wouldn't say on a whim, because they are unchanging. But yeah, morality is just whatever God said is morality.

So those things weren't proven false.

Life cannot arise from nonlife

The reason single celled life came into existence was because of the conditions that were present during the earth's formation.

God is life, right?

God can't come from nonlife.

Therefore his existence is disproven.

That argument is retarded.

The conditions that were present...yeah that's unproven

All existence cannot self create. You cannot be your own father

Prove to me from an accredited source, then.

Not just your dusty book.

Therefore everything in existence must be from somewhere or something

So God has a superior?

And infinitely so?

That would not make sense because then God's "god" for lack of another term, would have to have a creator and so on

Okay, so the same logic applies to us.

It can't.

It can.

Because something must have caused it's existence

Something must have caused god?

No, because that would be illogical, as I just explained

I don't get your point.

God, as we understand the concept, must be outside of the normal "rules" of the universe

If God can happen spontaneously why can't we?

Okay, so Rag I work within the rules of this universe.

If you don't, then fly.

First argument for God: logical existence. Nothing in existence came into being by self-creation, life or nonlife. Nothing can create itself because it does not exist in the first place to create itself. This is fact and is accepted by scientists of every religious belief or lack of.

Therefore only something outside of the "laws" of the universe can create everything, and that entity, being outside of the laws of the universe, can be uncreated. In fact that is the only logical way for that to work.

Second argument for God: historical phenomenon. It is a documented historical fact and accepted by the vast majority of historicans of every religious belief or lack of, that Jesus actually existed. It is also equally accepted that the Roman Empire until Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity, violently persecuted Christians with some of the most horrific tortures ever recorded.

The same historical sources for these events tell us the majority of what we know about classical civilization and to discount them would have the same merit as saying the Roman Empire actually didn't exist.

I never said Jesus didn't exist.