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with the Greek Churches at least
The entire EO community
Slavs are still Anathematize Catholics if I'm not mistaken every Orthodox sunday
But there's questions of if the excommunication is even valid in the first place
Most likely it wasn't as both the pope
Because the papal legation only has authority from the pope that sends them
and the bishop of greeks
died
Leo had died already
So Cardinal Humbert didn't actually have the authority anymore
He'd have to go back to Rome and wait for a new pope before he could do that
And since he only did it to one person I don't think that would extend very far anyway
It was just wrong actions from both parties that led to schism from 1054 and the great schism in 1204 after the destruction of Constantinople and the 50 years rule of the latins in ERE
It just spread hostility
Despite all the negativity around Vatican II it did bring some good things for yall
Well in 2000 or 1970 Don't remember the exact date
When EO churches rejoin they maintain their traditional rites now
one of your pope asked for forgiveness from our church while he came to Greece too
Well, our church and I can tell it with 100% dose of truth would never join under a pope, not only because of that but for some decrees like filioque, they just don't accept them and they anathematize them as all orthodox
But I believe Ecumenism with Rome Catholicism could work, you guys retain everything you have, we retain everything we have and independence and we are in communion. We don't have anything to lose from that and it would be a strong alliance for the days that will come
Filioque can work but maybe not in English. It would take an ecumenical council to define it in a way that works with both
Most of the Eastern Catholic Churches used to be EO but rejoined, some relatively recently
They don't use filioque
There's three of the 23 though who have been in communion since the beginning, one of them I think used filioque for quite some time before it was even mentioned in the early middle ages
Well filioque was invented from Roman Catholicism if I'm not mistaken because it was a mean to fight Arianism that was taking foothold
Y'all would end up joining with the other Greek Catholics under the Byzantine Rite
EO didn't believe that it was necessary
Wrong, our priests have anathematized Bartholomew a lot,
Don't forget that the Byzantine Church have been hijacked from turks after the fall of the ERE. The bishop was killed and the one that succeeded him would crown all the Caliphs of Ottoman Empire
That's a major problem for us in the west
Greek Church is independent as all churches of Orthodoxy
Bishop of Constantinople don't have any authority
Greek Catholics used to be Greek Orthodox
Well after the fall of ERE, a lot of Greeks either converted to islam (most people in Constantinople) and they had higher up locations in Ottoman empire
They keep their traditions
Others left to west
that became catholics and some retained orthodoxism
and a lot of Greeks stayed true to their faith remained Orthodox under ottomans and paid heavy taxation for that
and a lot of Greeks stayed true to their faith remained Orthodox under ottomans and paid heavy taxation for that
and a lot of Greeks stayed true to their faith remained Orthodox under ottomans and paid heavy taxation for that