And since he only did it to one person I don't think that would extend very far anyway

It was just wrong actions from both parties that led to schism from 1054 and the great schism in 1204 after the destruction of Constantinople and the 50 years rule of the latins in ERE

It just spread hostility

Despite all the negativity around Vatican II it did bring some good things for yall

Well in 2000 or 1970 Don't remember the exact date

When EO churches rejoin they maintain their traditional rites now

one of your pope asked for forgiveness from our church while he came to Greece too

Well, our church and I can tell it with 100% dose of truth would never join under a pope, not only because of that but for some decrees like filioque, they just don't accept them and they anathematize them as all orthodox

But I believe Ecumenism with Rome Catholicism could work, you guys retain everything you have, we retain everything we have and independence and we are in communion. We don't have anything to lose from that and it would be a strong alliance for the days that will come

Filioque can work but maybe not in English. It would take an ecumenical council to define it in a way that works with both

Most of the Eastern Catholic Churches used to be EO but rejoined, some relatively recently

They don't use filioque

There's three of the 23 though who have been in communion since the beginning, one of them I think used filioque for quite some time before it was even mentioned in the early middle ages

Well filioque was invented from Roman Catholicism if I'm not mistaken because it was a mean to fight Arianism that was taking foothold

Y'all would end up joining with the other Greek Catholics under the Byzantine Rite

EO didn't believe that it was necessary

Wrong, our priests have anathematized Bartholomew a lot,

Don't forget that the Byzantine Church have been hijacked from turks after the fall of the ERE. The bishop was killed and the one that succeeded him would crown all the Caliphs of Ottoman Empire

That's a major problem for us in the west

Greek Church is independent as all churches of Orthodoxy

Bishop of Constantinople don't have any authority

Greek Catholics used to be Greek Orthodox

Well after the fall of ERE, a lot of Greeks either converted to islam (most people in Constantinople) and they had higher up locations in Ottoman empire

They keep their traditions

Others left to west

that became catholics and some retained orthodoxism

and a lot of Greeks stayed true to their faith remained Orthodox under ottomans and paid heavy taxation for that

and a lot of Greeks stayed true to their faith remained Orthodox under ottomans and paid heavy taxation for that

and a lot of Greeks stayed true to their faith remained Orthodox under ottomans and paid heavy taxation for that

Yes, churches can join RC if they want

you can't tell them not to

Italo-Albanian, Melkite, and Maronites (not listed) never broke communion with us even at the schism, all the others did but returned mostly in the 1600s I think

Greek Byzantine in 1911

True, the problem came from the first aggressions after rome asked for help from the Emperor of ERE against the invaders and to push his claim to the head of the church something he didn't accept to do (push the claim). Some hiccups happened with our bishop and the bishop of rome. After Rome got conquered, the aggression to close down EO churches or convert to RC put some oil to the fire. Genoans/Venetians were steering all the trade from Constantinople and a lot of greek merchants gone broke because of that as latins had a lot of benefits because of Previous Emperors and hate was spreading on that. So after the force conversion happened in Italy the Emperor and the bishop closed down all the latin churches in constantinople as a reaction then the massacre of latins happened as greeks and other population couldn't last with the benefits of the latins and the steering of the trade. Then the reaction of the west with the sack of thessalonika (something to be expected)

The biggest stigma that west left though in the relationship of West/East

was the sack of constantinople and the latin rule of that period

When women were marrying the first night of the marriage was spend with a westerner and not with the husband, massive rapes, desecrate of the tombs of old Emperors etc

Basically West and East fucked up everything and in the end left the dark ages to come

@Thornberry Pope does not decide sainthood. Forgot to answer this question. There is an institution called the Congregation for the Causes of the Saints. They investigate alleged miracles. Very few of them are ever declared authentic, most are inconclusive. So they are extremely cautious. Sometimes it can take *centuries*.

As an extra layer of caution the Pope approves their cases