Message from @Beemann
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Yes there is. Gravitational pull still exists
if i took just an instant in time, i'm not going towards the earth while in orbit
how do we KNOW there is?
>what is orbit
how did we know something would orbit?
you are missing the point. at one point the earth was objectively flat. How did we get here, in science?
Are you suggesting you can observe every factor that goes into worker output?
Overtime? yes, most likely in fact.
You know how many factors go into how well a plane flies?
How much time does one have to wait before getting a raise in this perfect objective system?
Depends, is an objectively perfect system need to be able to measure skill perfectly 100% of the time? Or does it just need to be able to fix itself when a skill is being measured wrong so that any given moment, its the best way we know how?
And how does your metric manage to not alter the work done
If we're talking about a 100% meritocratic system it has to be accurate, no?
no, it needs to be focused around trying to measure skill correctly
nothing is static in our universe. Things are always changing.
what is perfect for measuring something now, might not be perfect tomorrow.
the system is "perfect" if it can recognize when it has stopped work and self-corrects.
much like science
like bacteria randomly mutating to overcome antibiotics
nothing is 100%, but you can aim for 100%. but it will always be asymptotic
Skill is not the only factor employers look for, and for good reason. Further there's not always room for correction
The closer that AI brings us to perfectly meritocratic hiring, the less employers seem to want it.
Most utopian design looks better from a distance
I'm talking about actual cases. Tim has talked about actual cases like Amazon.
Right, that's what I mean though
As we achieve the means to put some of these plans into action they look less and less inviting
It failed because Amazon wants ideoogical hiring, not objectively meritocratic hiring.
There's that too yeah
And tbh they're 100% free to do that, or should be in any case
Just like I'm free to never touch prime or aws again
If Amazon is free to hire ideologically, businesses should be free to conduct their businesses ideologically.
I think so, too.
But my understanding is we have government legislation to stop exactly that.
That legislation promotes ideological hiring of non-whites and females.
There's no getting around the anti-meritocratic aspect of legislation that stops the hiring of white males.
And demands that the business provides universal service for some groups of people.
Actually depending on your state and your business you can totally deny service to whoever you want
I suppose states can let you ignore federal laws.
But I'm not sure they'd let you ignore the civil rights act.
There was also the gay cakes case
I agree with allowing a business to deny service on its own terms unless there's an antitrust issue.