if you pay attention, trump always negotiates the way way

>trump made mean comments
>democrats scared about the bluewave failing
yeap, thats advantage democrats alright

Insulting the leaders of our allies?

X is TERRIBLE. X is a raw deal! We're getting taken advantage of by X. I'm going to CANCEL X

@DrYuriMom In other words... the US is so badass that all the other countries on the planet are desperately in need of us and should be grovelling at our feet and kissing the very ground we walk on, in desperate fear that we don't abandon them again...

But you expect us to be the ones who're acting nice and pleading with them for... the right to help them?

Europeans have to fight every 70 years or else they start going crazy

then he'll say something like "If X did this, then maybe we could make a deal, but right now we're getting screwed!"

I don't get how those actions could possibly be making the world safer or America better positioned.

What actions specifically?

Then X, wanting a deal, makes some concession, then Trump is all smiles and sunshine, and a new better deal is negotiated.

The first step from Trump is always to shit on whoever he wants to make a deal with.

And it's been working really well if you're honest about it.

New NAFTA, new trade deal with EU, NATO agreed to increase spending, peace talks with NK,

@JustTom , I think all nations expect to be treated with respect. We certainly appreciated their support after 9/11.

Remember the only nation to invoke Article 5 of NATO is the US

Bush Sr and Jr showed how diplomacy works for the US

Reagan solidified a world order that has helped us

Why are we flushing all their work down the toilet now?

we're not

you are just incapable of realizing what negotiation looks like from a position of strength.

Leaving NATO should never even be an option

Trump is getting NATO to spend ***more***

Europe wants out of nato

It's like divorce. You just never put it on the table.

They arent even meeting the requirements as outlined by the treaty

And Trump got NATO to spend ***more*** by threatening to leave.

The world is in a different position, the US is in a different position, we need a new organization. You can't just keep doing the same thing as always and expect it to always work. Trump recognizes this and is trying to renegoatiate and fix old treaties and deals that are no longer functional or fair, and that we're simply being used through.

The fact that Trump's got the guts, negotiating skills, and BALLS, to actually step up and do it, is why people who aren't crazy lefties tend to love his stance.

not always, but usually.

Why should we respect them if they dont want to follow the guidelines of our agreements?

Whereas if nobody threatened NATO, the Euros would still be spending <1%

Pyrrhic Victory

It's not a Pyrrhic victory if a) NATO still exists and b) is materially stronger

Is that really the way we want to be seen in the world? As bullies?

You are not paying attention to the facts and are instead paying attention to emotion

We are already seen that way

All I care about is results.

What facts?

That they resent us?

That NATO still exists and is getting militarily stronger.

Take your pick of nations, south korea, japan, france

they see the US as a bully thats trying to control them