But Europe has fulfilled their end of the bargain. Article 5 after 9/11.

I'm not saying that our deals are quite as bad as I've cited in my divorce comparison, but they ARE bad. So your stance is that Trump should just back out of all of them, period.

No they havent

Nato requires a certain amount of spending on defense budgets

Who gives a fuck about how they *feel* about us. They made an agreement and they need to stick to it.

Many European nations helped with Iraq

They have and they are

The five nations to meet this amount were: Germany, England Estonia, Poland and Greece

The nations of NATO are making the progress they agreed to for them to reach 2% by 2022.

Oh reallyl? did you know the amount is supposed to be 5%

They signed an agreement to reach by a certain date. It's still well in the future.

We don't even spend 5%!

So they agreed to pay half of the amount they're supposed to spend

@DrYuriMom I never knew you'd be such a hardliner about immediately backing out of all those deals. ... I thought you'd be more supportive of Trump trying to keep in the deals. But, so be it.

I'll support your idea that Trump should merely abandon the existing deals entirely, and wait for the rest of the world to come crawling to us begging for a new deal from square one.

Wonderful

It's 2% of GDP

Thank you, @Atkins

Its less of an issue for the US as our budget dwarfs that of NATO

And @JustTom , I said you divorce in an abusive relationship. Europe isn't abusing us. If anything, we're insulting them.

But many were (and still are) spending less than 1%, and many include pensions and social spending in that figure when it should be active troops and procurement only.

Europe is abusing us.

For decades they slashed military spending and expected us to defend them for free.

So we encourage them to get to 2%. We shouldn't be insulting them and interfering with their internal politics.

I disagree. The amount of support and money we're sending them, the unbalance of the trade agreements we have with them, and many other reasons, including that any time they want a conflict to be resolved, they keep out of it for the most part, then give this sidelong glance at us with this little wiggle of "huh? huh? Isn't it time you uh... stepped up?" - That's all abuse.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-lack-of-military-readiness-dramatic-says-bundeswehr-commissioner/a-42663215

I absolutely agree that the German military is a joke right now

I totally agree that we need to hold them accountable to improve

GUESS HOW WE DO THAT

They need to spend 2% of GDP

By threatening to shitcan NATO if they don't buck up

They need to standardize with US hsystems

AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED

they bucked up

-_-

They need to integrate with each other

I agree with all that

***bu-bu-but feeeeeelings***

Hmmmm his feed

But respect?

the EU is attempting to create its own army, separate from nato

Is that such a bad thing?