Message from @DrYuriMom
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All I care about is results.
What facts?
That they resent us?
That NATO still exists and is getting militarily stronger.
Take your pick of nations, south korea, japan, france
they see the US as a bully thats trying to control them
CatToday at 3:11 PM
It's like divorce. You just never put it on the table.
so if you're in a bad relationship where your significant other beats you regularly, abuses your children, you're the one working while your partner leeches off of you to go out and get drunk and cheat on you, etc. etc. etc.
Nope, Divorce can't be on the table! You just never put it on the table!
Sometimes it takes a divorce for the other person to start addressing their issues
In that case you divorce. It's not a negotiating tactic. You just do it.
Okay, then that's what Trump needs to do.
The United States is the World Hegemon but it has no clear and present threat against the world as a whole
I don't see what's so awful about saying "Start spending what you agreed to spend or the agreement is over"
But Europe has fulfilled their end of the bargain. Article 5 after 9/11.
I'm not saying that our deals are quite as bad as I've cited in my divorce comparison, but they ARE bad. So your stance is that Trump should just back out of all of them, period.
No they havent
Nato requires a certain amount of spending on defense budgets
Who gives a fuck about how they *feel* about us. They made an agreement and they need to stick to it.
Many European nations helped with Iraq
They have and they are
The five nations to meet this amount were: Germany, England Estonia, Poland and Greece
Oh reallyl? did you know the amount is supposed to be 5%
They signed an agreement to reach by a certain date. It's still well in the future.
We don't even spend 5%!
So they agreed to pay half of the amount they're supposed to spend
@DrYuriMom I never knew you'd be such a hardliner about immediately backing out of all those deals. ... I thought you'd be more supportive of Trump trying to keep in the deals. But, so be it.
I'll support your idea that Trump should merely abandon the existing deals entirely, and wait for the rest of the world to come crawling to us begging for a new deal from square one.
Wonderful
It's 2% of GDP
Its less of an issue for the US as our budget dwarfs that of NATO
And @JustTom , I said you divorce in an abusive relationship. Europe isn't abusing us. If anything, we're insulting them.
But many were (and still are) spending less than 1%, and many include pensions and social spending in that figure when it should be active troops and procurement only.
Europe is abusing us.
For decades they slashed military spending and expected us to defend them for free.
So we encourage them to get to 2%. We shouldn't be insulting them and interfering with their internal politics.
I disagree. The amount of support and money we're sending them, the unbalance of the trade agreements we have with them, and many other reasons, including that any time they want a conflict to be resolved, they keep out of it for the most part, then give this sidelong glance at us with this little wiggle of "huh? huh? Isn't it time you uh... stepped up?" - That's all abuse.
I absolutely agree that the German military is a joke right now
I totally agree that we need to hold them accountable to improve
GUESS HOW WE DO THAT
They need to spend 2% of GDP