i don't believe we lack enough caring people to cover all medical bills for those who really need it. I do believe we have a lack of ability to connect people with money to people in need.

We need to decide will we permit people to die of perfectly treatable conditions, or will society take the cost of providing care.

you know who is really bad at finding all the people in need? the federal government. You know who wastes a lot of money on shit it shouldn't? the federal government. You know who doesn't really care about people? Insurance companies. You know, ironically enough, has a better track record with all this stuff? The church. Community centers, charities.

Also, people who neglect routine care because they can't afford it are more likely to end up needing catastrophic care later. It's very expensive to treat people only when it's a crisis.

and you know what is great? when these places get too big and wasteful? we get to defund them so more money gets to the people in need, and not to people acting like an insurance company.

because i don't know about you, i don't like a charity where the CEO gets like 200k or more a year.

Sounds great but tell that to all the communities that are losing their hospitals these days

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/welcome-ad?toURL=/strategy/hospitals-closing-rate-30-year-no-end-sight

hmmm, and have we looked into why?

https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-18-634

Why take the price of healthcare for granted?

why is it so expensive?

That's one of the main issues I have with these approaches

throwing money at the problem without figuring out why its bleeding money in the first place sounds like a great way to waste resources and still ahve people dying

Anyway, I gotta go or risk being in contempt of court. 😃

emotion gets you killed

I understand the sympathetic impulse to do what you can meantime, but that's likely to make things worse in the long run

panic is an emotion. panic in any left threatening situation gets you killed.

Since it also disincentivizes attacking the root problem

people die, people will die, the question is not how do we stop them dying, its how do we get less people to die.

IMO a good look needs to be taken as to why healthcare is like it is

Why does it have this unique insurance model that doesn't correspond to anything else?

And who chooses if they die. i'd rather let nature choose who dies, than the government

i'd rather let bad life choices like smoking, decide who dies than a health insurance company

I think there would still be room for health insurance

Like car insurance

pretty sure hospitals have to pay insurance too to stay in business.

But it wouldn't cover the equivalent of looking at some bad brakes

perhaps that is too expensive

It's always worth pointing out that the known alternatives don't really mean "substantially fewer people die due to refused treatment"

It's "some people now die instead due to waiting for treatment"

It's possible that there would be enough "slack" in a given healthcare system to accomodate.

But I'm pretty sure part of the contention about the US one is precisely that it's sort of strained already

why do skinny people get punished for the decision of overweight people not to exercise. I need to pay for their healthcare? fucking why? There are legit medical problems that lead to issues with weight, but i doubt the US has such a problem with genetics that we have our overweight problem

emotion says help them. If you want to, you can. but no one should be forced to.

because lets face it, if someone has to have several procedures done because they sit around all day and eat, and never change. At some point most people will stop offering help and let them succumb to their fate.

i do not feel bad for people who smoke then get lung cancer.

it is a sad day when they die but that was their choice

i should not be forced to pay for that

So, to play devil's advocate

That's certainly the best case for your position