I know nothing about Wesleyan except the name John Wesley

Their big thing is the possibility of losing your salvation. Also the possibility of getting to a point where you don't sin.

We believe in the first one but not the second

Their other doctrines, at least that I've been told, match up with my Baptist background.

Yeah, for catholics it's suicide that breaks you right?

Mortal sins, including suicide

So like if you were good your whole life, baptized, devout, etc and then you rape or kill someone you're done

ah ok

Unless you confess

I've heard the defenses for both, and I'm convinced by the evidence for never losing your salvation.

But for serious stuff like that the priest won't give absolution unless you turn yourself in to the police

But to me, I don't see the purpose of being over zealous for either.

ah ok. At least that's like a standard

You're not really sorry for what you did if you're still trying to get away with it and avoid temporal punishment

haha yeah

@princeofdolalmroth sedition is an incorrect term. I dont see how the definition fits

conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

It's very vague and broad tbh.

by doing what they did, starting the investigation, painting his presidency as illegitimate

what authority was he inciting with his biased text messages?

it's not the text messages, it's what he was doing at the time

understand

that being one of the key starters of the russian investigation, which is neither the russian's fault since we have clear evidence that no vote tallies were changed

but muh ads on the social mediasz

Russia collusion is a witchhunt as the President has said

nor is it an investigation since its counterintelligence in base form

But muh Russia

but based on intelligence that wasn't and hasn't ever been verified

If Russia interfered I will personally send a gift bottle of vodka to Putin himself and be done with it

so it is as trump says, a massive witchhunt because trump committed the cardinal sin of winning their rigged election

they're never going to get the clintons through this fa🅱 🅱 ot currently testifying on the hill because to implicate the former secretary, is to also implicate the president, and it'd be racist to lock up the first ni🅱 🅱 er to become president

Well Russia did influence the election. It's very obvious. Accept that. What MSM fails to state is that ever since Nixon...RUSSIA HAS ALWAYS INFLUENCED AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. The Witchhunt is just the left spreading disinformation to possible voters that Trump is being influenced by KBG/SVU, which he is not

Funny how Republicans had black candidates for decades but when you don't vote for the black Democrat it's racist

If Russia bought ads on Facebook, then they did their best to prevent an inevitable and disastrous war that would have killed innocent people on both sides

if none of the vote tallies were changed, then your influence didn't matter, so no one cares, and the US has actively spent taxpayer dollars influencing elections around the world, including russia

The left interfered in Crimea

Wym vote tallies

the only offence again that trump committed, the only "law" he broke, is that he won when the game was rigged for him to lose

Lol yep

Either way, if he did anything, he did what he had to do. Hillary would have meant the end of this country as we know it

I don't care if he went around the country changing the ballots himself