Message from @Little Boots

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2018-09-08 17:38:53 UTC  

A lot of farmland that only came about when industrialization occurred and it became practical to have more farmland up north.

2018-09-08 17:39:39 UTC  

Even then, then majority of people living in those states live along the coastline because they were settled for their prime Great Lake coastline in order to make trade easier.

2018-09-08 17:40:12 UTC  

But we’ll just ignore that in order to fulfill your nonsensical narrative.

2018-09-08 17:40:49 UTC  

The North had little need for slavery to begin with. It’s why it never caught on because they didn’t have massive tracks of farmland to justify having fifty or a hundred slaves.

2018-09-08 17:40:51 UTC  

The real reason is profit margin. Slaves are cheaper than employees.

2018-09-08 17:41:02 UTC  

Hmm then why ban it?

2018-09-08 17:41:23 UTC  

If they don't really need slaves then it would mean they don't have to concern themselves with banning it

2018-09-08 17:41:33 UTC  

Because why not? No one owns any by that point, so you can just ban it and no one would give a shit.

2018-09-08 17:43:10 UTC  

Also, abolitionism became a thing right around the time those states began to ban it. Besides, it’s easier to convince people who don’t own slaves to ban the institution outright.

2018-09-08 17:44:00 UTC  

Hard to convince a wealthy plantation owner to get rid of his free labor. Instead let's just start a war with the clearly stated goal of keeping our free labor.

2018-09-08 17:44:06 UTC  

"peculiar institution"

2018-09-08 17:44:32 UTC  

If you live in a culture that doesn’t own slaves most of the time nor has any real attachment to it, it’s easier to ban it.

2018-09-08 17:44:44 UTC  

Attachment. Hmm.

2018-09-08 17:44:51 UTC  

How do you sleep at night?

2018-09-08 17:45:08 UTC  

No, more like “hard to convince a society that has lived with it on a daily basis to end it without having some form of social and political repercussions.”

2018-09-08 17:45:14 UTC  

Their attachment, the rich people anyway, was to their money

2018-09-08 17:45:48 UTC  

Social and political repercussions yes. War, that's their choice. They chose wrongly and they lost.

2018-09-08 17:46:27 UTC  

And, even then, states like New York profited from the slave trade as a result of being a major port city. So, even though the banned it, they remained an important hub of keeping it going.

2018-09-08 17:47:08 UTC  

Yet they still fought to end it

2018-09-08 17:47:12 UTC  

Social repercussions as in not actually giving them any time to adjust and change to enable a smooth transition from slavery to abolition.

2018-09-08 17:47:20 UTC  

No, they didn’t.

2018-09-08 17:47:26 UTC  

Really

2018-09-08 17:47:27 UTC  

Hmm

2018-09-08 17:47:47 UTC  

Recall the New York Draft riots of 1863?

2018-09-08 17:48:24 UTC  

They didn’t want to end the institution because they weren’t fighting for that purpose, especially the countless thousands of Irishmen drafted to fight the war.

2018-09-08 17:48:34 UTC  

448,850 New Yorkers joined

2018-09-08 17:48:44 UTC  

*Drafted.

2018-09-08 17:48:53 UTC  

We've already established 2% conscripts and 6% substitutes

2018-09-08 17:49:29 UTC  

Apparently that statistic is bullshit because 2% of an army being drafted doesn’t cause literal riots

2018-09-08 17:50:02 UTC  

New York was negative impacted by the draft the most, which is why there were major riots in New York City and elsewhere.

2018-09-08 17:54:09 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/444628746788536330/488044381920821259/Screenshot_20180908-135355.png

2018-09-08 17:54:14 UTC  

Wrong again, revisionist

2018-09-08 17:58:14 UTC  

The rioters were pissed that blacks could take their jobs, and that rich people could get out of serving. A similar provision in the south was that a man with 20 or more slaves was exempt from the draft

2018-09-08 17:59:59 UTC  

Wrong again, Yankee.

2018-09-08 18:00:19 UTC  

Read the article instead of just pasting it

2018-09-08 18:00:28 UTC  

I did.

2018-09-08 18:00:32 UTC  

Read the sources also

2018-09-08 18:00:43 UTC  

And read the sources.

2018-09-08 18:00:50 UTC  

Yankee.

2018-09-08 18:03:17 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/444628746788536330/488046679820337162/Screenshot_20180908-140258.png