Most don't even know who he is until I explain the Trail of Tears

and not Woodrow Wilson?

Mr. Birth of a Nation?

Oh, Wilson is up there

But I think the Trail of Tears takes the cake

Just because it was directed at similar ethnic groups doesn't necessarily make Jackson a racist.

He probably would have done the same to any ethnic group that was in the way of his interests.

Bush was the one that totally fucked up the middle ieast

Are they unironic

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We had presidents who owned black slaves.

Do they know that?

I don't see how owning black slaves makes you racist.

But the system was racial.

Maybe you could own a black slave without being racist, if the system was neutral towards race, but AFAIK, it was not back then.

The system was racial, and attitudes could be racist, though owning slaves wasn't quite racist, it often was

You'd get some progressive slave owners, as odd as that sounds

@Stefan Payne The Middle east was fucked up FAR before Bush, first or second.

The west turned the middle east into a disaster post WW1

True but with Iraq (and Lybia), it wouldn't look as bad as it does right now.

Libya was 100% our fault for ruining. Syria too, for the most part

Oh no, but it was a ticking bomb

the middle east pre Afghan war was unsustainable

Maybe but it was better than it is now.

ehh

the longer we left it the worse the quagmire would end up being.

we should have just left the middle east to figure it's own shit out after WW1

you need a secularian dictator that supresses the Religion in those countrys and even move towards Christianity.

and just carpet bomb them any time they act up

That isn't going to help

forcing them to move into the civilized age won't really fix the problems

they need to figure it out themselves.

We need to stop this nationbuilding shit

blow them back a century every time they stick their head out of the ground and say "Death to America!!!"

and eventually some of them will wise up and say "hey goatfucker, shut up about that..every time we say that they bomb us.."

The first thing we need to do is help everyone that tries to do something about Islam.

and help them convert people towards something else.

Saddam, Gaddafi and Assad are the only ones somewhat secularian.

And with that you can talk to them, bring in someone like David Wood + Robert Spencer and the likes to convert them to Christianity.

Secularian has jack all to do with it, the Iraqi Kurds are not Secularian and are frankly the only sane ones in the entire shit hole.

what we need to do is say "hey see these guys" *point at the kurds* Leave them alone, and don't try to launch terrorist bullshit and we won't carpet bomb your asses.