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Both to gain support for their cause "see the Pope did it, we should support it"
And to cause division among their enemies "look you alt-right trolls, Catholics are liberal"
Eh. I can pray myself. I can ask God for guidance and the Holy Spirit will speak to my heart.
If I am wrong I will be judged.
Papal primacy is a matter of theology and is fairly easy to settle
I know, but I don't agree with the current pope and so I won't listen to him.
The Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic and is actually written primarily for the Jews
ܐܴܦ݂ ܐܷܢܳܐ ܐܴܡܰܪ ܐ̱ܢܳܐ ܠܴܟ݂ ܂ ܕܱ݁ܐܢ̄ܬ݁ ܗ̄ܽܘ ܟܻ݁ܐܦ݂ܳܐ ܂ ܘܥܰܠ ܗܳܕ݂ܶܐ ܟܻ݁ܐܦ݂ܳܐ ܐܷܒ݂ܢܶܝܗ ܠܥܺܕ̱݁ܬ݁ܝ܂ ܘܬ݂ܱܪ̈ܥܶܐ ܕܱ݁ܫܝܽܘܠ ܠܴܐ ܢܶܚܣܢܽܘܢܳܗ܂
The word ܟܺܐܦܳܐ
Means rock
Basically you are Peter and on this Peter...or, you are Rock and on this Rock...both equally correct
Paul usually uses that word to refer to him, rather than the Greek word
Transliteration "Cephas"
Peter's name means rock.
So of course he would refer to him that way
Besides, Paul rebuked a church once because they were saying
"I follow Paul, I follow John, I follow Peter!" Etcc
And Paul thanked God he didn't baptize but a few because the ones he baptized were followers of Christ.
He named Peter that
You are Rock, and on this Rock
Even when writing in Greek, Paul usually chose to use the Aramaic transliteration rather than the Greek translation "Petrus"
"The blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute, quickly gasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? 'Behold, we have left all and have followed you'" - Clement of Alexandria, 200 AD
"The Lord says to Peter: 'I say to you,' he says, 'that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.' On him he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep, and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair, and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" - Cyprian of Carthage 251 AD
"In the power of the same Holy Spirit, Peter, both the chief of the apostles and the keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in the name of Christ healed Aeneas the paralytic at Lydda, which is now called Diospolis." - Cyril of Jerusalem, 350 AD
This kinda stuff is all over ancient writings from the first 500 years of the Church
@Deleted User Do you know what orthodox churches are in communion with the papacy?
@Deleted User none that I know of
If they were, then they'd be called Eastern Catholic
Unless maybe you guys call them something different
As far as my knowledge goes there are some Eastern churches (referred as Catholics though) here in Greece but there are few
In English when we say Orthodox we are talking about Eastern and Oriental Orthodox that are not in communion with Rome and split in 1054
Yeah those are the ones I mentioned last night, we call them Eastern Catholic but they kept the same liturgical rites when they returned
ahh I see
The only ones we have in America are from historic immigrant communities like Greeks
interesting didn't knew that
There's usually like ONE in each major city, maybe two
Funnily though even Orthodox has a schism nowdays with the russian church too
If an Orthodox went to one they probably wouldn't notice any difference. Except the filioque and the Pope
And our Biblical Canon is slightly smaller
They use koine Greek or latin?
About half of them use Greek