Message from @Iakovos

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2019-04-28 20:48:06 UTC  

The sheep are admiring the shepherd, rather than the owner of the flock. The shepherd is just one of his employees.

2019-04-28 20:49:24 UTC  

Christ is my Shepherd

2019-04-28 20:49:33 UTC  

If I was to be Christian. I am trying.

2019-04-28 20:50:04 UTC  

Christ isn't here, and he has appointed someone to shepherd the flock. Who will be judged like anyone else.

2019-04-28 20:50:27 UTC  

In fact they receive a harsher judgment. We are responsible for ourselves. He is responsible for his leadership of the whole flock

2019-04-28 20:51:10 UTC  

Anyway you also have to remember people will make false or embellished statements

2019-04-28 20:51:25 UTC  

Both to gain support for their cause "see the Pope did it, we should support it"

2019-04-28 20:51:54 UTC  

And to cause division among their enemies "look you alt-right trolls, Catholics are liberal"

2019-04-28 20:52:02 UTC  

Eh. I can pray myself. I can ask God for guidance and the Holy Spirit will speak to my heart.

2019-04-28 20:52:15 UTC  

If I am wrong I will be judged.

2019-04-28 20:52:29 UTC  

Papal primacy is a matter of theology and is fairly easy to settle

2019-04-28 20:52:53 UTC  

I know, but I don't agree with the current pope and so I won't listen to him.

2019-04-28 20:52:58 UTC  

The Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Aramaic and is actually written primarily for the Jews

2019-04-28 20:53:51 UTC  

ܐܴܦ݂ ܐܷܢܳܐ ܐܴܡܰܪ ܐ̱ܢܳܐ ܠܴܟ݂ ܂ ܕܱ݁ܐܢ̄ܬ݁ ܗ̄ܽܘ ܟܻ݁ܐܦ݂ܳܐ ܂ ܘܥܰܠ ܗܳܕ݂ܶܐ ܟܻ݁ܐܦ݂ܳܐ ܐܷܒ݂ܢܶܝܗ ܠܥܺܕ̱݁ܬ݁ܝ܂ ܘܬ݂ܱܪ̈ܥܶܐ ܕܱ݁ܫܝܽܘܠ ܠܴܐ ܢܶܚܣܢܽܘܢܳܗ܂

2019-04-28 20:54:14 UTC  

The word ܟܺܐܦܳܐ

2019-04-28 20:54:18 UTC  

Means rock

2019-04-28 20:54:35 UTC  

Basically you are Peter and on this Peter...or, you are Rock and on this Rock...both equally correct

2019-04-28 20:56:28 UTC  

Paul usually uses that word to refer to him, rather than the Greek word

2019-04-28 20:56:35 UTC  

Transliteration "Cephas"

2019-04-28 20:57:05 UTC  

Peter's name means rock.

2019-04-28 20:57:16 UTC  

So of course he would refer to him that way

2019-04-28 20:57:58 UTC  

Besides, Paul rebuked a church once because they were saying

2019-04-28 20:58:16 UTC  

"I follow Paul, I follow John, I follow Peter!" Etcc

2019-04-28 20:58:39 UTC  

And Paul thanked God he didn't baptize but a few because the ones he baptized were followers of Christ.

2019-04-28 20:58:46 UTC  

He named Peter that

2019-04-28 20:59:03 UTC  

You are Rock, and on this Rock

2019-04-28 20:59:35 UTC  

Even when writing in Greek, Paul usually chose to use the Aramaic transliteration rather than the Greek translation "Petrus"

2019-04-28 21:02:17 UTC  

"The blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute, quickly gasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? 'Behold, we have left all and have followed you'" - Clement of Alexandria, 200 AD

2019-04-28 21:05:00 UTC  

"The Lord says to Peter: 'I say to you,' he says, 'that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.' On him he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep, and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair, and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" - Cyprian of Carthage 251 AD

2019-04-28 21:06:11 UTC  

"In the power of the same Holy Spirit, Peter, both the chief of the apostles and the keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in the name of Christ healed Aeneas the paralytic at Lydda, which is now called Diospolis." - Cyril of Jerusalem, 350 AD

2019-04-28 21:07:57 UTC  

This kinda stuff is all over ancient writings from the first 500 years of the Church

2019-04-28 21:11:32 UTC  

@Deleted User Do you know what orthodox churches are in communion with the papacy?

2019-04-28 21:11:45 UTC  

@Deleted User none that I know of

2019-04-28 21:11:57 UTC  

If they were, then they'd be called Eastern Catholic

2019-04-28 21:12:10 UTC  

Unless maybe you guys call them something different

2019-04-28 21:13:22 UTC  

As far as my knowledge goes there are some Eastern churches (referred as Catholics though) here in Greece but there are few

2019-04-28 21:13:31 UTC  

In English when we say Orthodox we are talking about Eastern and Oriental Orthodox that are not in communion with Rome and split in 1054

2019-04-28 21:14:07 UTC  

Yeah those are the ones I mentioned last night, we call them Eastern Catholic but they kept the same liturgical rites when they returned

2019-04-28 21:14:43 UTC  

ahh I see

2019-04-28 21:14:47 UTC  

The only ones we have in America are from historic immigrant communities like Greeks

2019-04-28 21:15:37 UTC  

interesting didn't knew that