Message from @Deleted User

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2019-04-28 21:02:17 UTC  

"The blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute, quickly gasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? 'Behold, we have left all and have followed you'" - Clement of Alexandria, 200 AD

2019-04-28 21:05:00 UTC  

"The Lord says to Peter: 'I say to you,' he says, 'that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church.' On him he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep, and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair, and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were that also which Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, whereby it is made clear that there is but one Church and one chair. So too, all are shepherds, and the flock is shown to be one, fed by all the apostles in single-minded accord. If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" - Cyprian of Carthage 251 AD

2019-04-28 21:06:11 UTC  

"In the power of the same Holy Spirit, Peter, both the chief of the apostles and the keeper of the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in the name of Christ healed Aeneas the paralytic at Lydda, which is now called Diospolis." - Cyril of Jerusalem, 350 AD

2019-04-28 21:07:57 UTC  

This kinda stuff is all over ancient writings from the first 500 years of the Church

2019-04-28 21:11:32 UTC  

@Deleted User Do you know what orthodox churches are in communion with the papacy?

2019-04-28 21:11:45 UTC  

@Deleted User none that I know of

2019-04-28 21:11:57 UTC  

If they were, then they'd be called Eastern Catholic

2019-04-28 21:12:10 UTC  

Unless maybe you guys call them something different

2019-04-28 21:13:22 UTC  

As far as my knowledge goes there are some Eastern churches (referred as Catholics though) here in Greece but there are few

2019-04-28 21:13:31 UTC  

In English when we say Orthodox we are talking about Eastern and Oriental Orthodox that are not in communion with Rome and split in 1054

2019-04-28 21:14:07 UTC  

Yeah those are the ones I mentioned last night, we call them Eastern Catholic but they kept the same liturgical rites when they returned

2019-04-28 21:14:43 UTC  

ahh I see

2019-04-28 21:14:47 UTC  

The only ones we have in America are from historic immigrant communities like Greeks

2019-04-28 21:15:37 UTC  

interesting didn't knew that

2019-04-28 21:15:57 UTC  

There's usually like ONE in each major city, maybe two

2019-04-28 21:16:27 UTC  

Funnily though even Orthodox has a schism nowdays with the russian church too

2019-04-28 21:16:31 UTC  

If an Orthodox went to one they probably wouldn't notice any difference. Except the filioque and the Pope

2019-04-28 21:16:48 UTC  

And our Biblical Canon is slightly smaller

2019-04-28 21:17:19 UTC  

They use koine Greek or latin?

2019-04-28 21:18:57 UTC  

About half of them use Greek

2019-04-28 21:19:22 UTC  

I see, well I learned something new today lol

2019-04-28 21:20:01 UTC  

Alexandrian rite uses Coptic

2019-04-28 21:20:26 UTC  

They're from Egypt, Eritrea, and Ethiopia

2019-04-28 21:20:29 UTC  

There are coptics in america?

2019-04-28 21:20:36 UTC  

Yes

2019-04-28 21:20:40 UTC  

I knew for egypt etc

2019-04-28 21:20:49 UTC  

But most of the Coptic Catholics are in Africa

2019-04-28 21:20:50 UTC  

oh America is kinda diverse I see

2019-04-28 21:21:06 UTC  

Armenian Catholics use Armenian, and are from Lebanon

2019-04-28 21:21:42 UTC  

Pretty much everything between Greece and Russia uses Greek liturgy

2019-04-28 21:21:58 UTC  

I see,

2019-04-28 21:22:07 UTC  

I want to see how the schism with russia is going to end

2019-04-28 21:22:22 UTC  

Chaldean Catholics use Syriac, from Iraq, there's Indian Catholics using that rite also

2019-04-28 21:22:32 UTC  

Because right now Orthodoxism is divided a lot

2019-04-28 21:22:40 UTC  

And some around Lebanon

2019-04-28 21:23:27 UTC  

18 million ECs and 1.2 billion RCs, 1.5% to 98.5%

2019-04-28 21:24:43 UTC  

How do Orthdox settle those disputes without schism?

2019-04-28 21:24:53 UTC  

I don't even know

2019-04-28 21:24:57 UTC  

If two patriarchs or bishops disagree, who is right?

2019-04-28 21:25:27 UTC  

currently the church of constantinople has a schism with the russian church

2019-04-28 21:26:26 UTC  

Mostly in the byzantine era the bishop of constantinople had jurisdriction over the other churches, but after the byzantine fall they got independent