Message from @acarson

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2018-05-30 05:49:34 UTC  

i once had a science teacher who told me something wise

2018-05-30 05:49:43 UTC  

science cannot prove or disprove God

2018-05-30 05:49:45 UTC  

so don't try

2018-05-30 05:50:11 UTC  

the fallacy is "category error"

2018-05-30 05:50:35 UTC  

there's a useful tell when dealing with the "new atheist" crowd

2018-05-30 05:50:49 UTC  

one useful tell for charlatans is that they change the meaning of words on you

2018-05-30 05:51:01 UTC  

Yeah God is not measurable by instruments unless you somehow end up with Jesus in your room and he lets you take his hair and send it to a lab lmao

2018-05-30 05:51:20 UTC  

"there is NO evidence for anything remotely religious," they say, and then they bait-and-switch that by "evidence," they specifically meant SCIENTIFIC evidence

2018-05-30 05:52:15 UTC  

yes

2018-05-30 05:52:39 UTC  

there's a lot of theoretical models in science with nothing to back it up but the mathematical proof. working around it would be inconcivable for them

2018-05-30 05:52:41 UTC  

He does have limits

2018-05-30 05:53:24 UTC  

He cannot break his word

2018-05-30 05:53:39 UTC  

That's correct

2018-05-30 05:53:48 UTC  

And then atheists would try to argue that isn't true omnipotence

2018-05-30 05:53:53 UTC  

Anders Behring Breivik killed 69 communists

2018-05-30 05:53:56 UTC  

but it is

2018-05-30 05:54:04 UTC  

we are just applying our human understanding of omnipotence

2018-05-30 05:54:08 UTC  

to a concept we could never truly grasp

2018-05-30 05:54:23 UTC  

need big brain for that

2018-05-30 05:54:24 UTC  

He has the power but not the will to do so

2018-05-30 05:54:41 UTC  

then he got a 21 year sentence in prison for killing COMMUNISTS

2018-05-30 05:54:42 UTC  

ROFL

2018-05-30 05:54:51 UTC  

Also he has always existed

2018-05-30 05:55:23 UTC  

Even before the universe which means he has no start

2018-05-30 05:55:40 UTC  

as they say time didn't exist before universe

2018-05-30 05:55:49 UTC  

Right

2018-05-30 05:55:53 UTC  

Thats my point

2018-05-30 05:55:55 UTC  

space-time rather

2018-05-30 05:56:06 UTC  

yes, and for God to truly be God

2018-05-30 05:56:12 UTC  

he has to exist outside of spacetime

2018-05-30 05:56:18 UTC  

and outside of gravity

2018-05-30 05:57:08 UTC  

True

2018-05-30 05:57:11 UTC  

Most of this vaguely touched in the old treatment

2018-05-30 05:57:26 UTC  

psalms talks about it a bit

2018-05-30 05:57:36 UTC  

the prime mover?

2018-05-30 05:58:37 UTC  

For example
God will not forgive you if you do not forgive
Therefore god cannot do something

2018-05-30 05:59:29 UTC  

seems to me like a question of judgement and not inability

2018-05-30 05:59:42 UTC  

will not

2018-05-30 06:00:10 UTC  

Like i said he cannot lie

2018-05-30 06:00:37 UTC  

Therefore he cannot do something

2018-05-30 06:01:34 UTC  

Didn't God by creating free will allow evil? Therefore he indirectly created evil because he loves his children and wants them to have agency?