Message from @acarson

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2018-06-04 12:09:05 UTC  

wait... government lobbied crony corporationism is fascism?

2018-06-04 12:10:00 UTC  

depends what kind of job you're doing -- industries evolve and shrivel up lol

2018-06-04 12:10:20 UTC  

illegal immigration is not an economic issue as much as it is a national issue

2018-06-04 12:10:23 UTC  

it just affects the economy

2018-06-04 12:10:32 UTC  

no no no illegal immigration is both

2018-06-04 12:10:36 UTC  

it is an economic issue

2018-06-04 12:10:37 UTC  

it should be dealt with and ended

2018-06-04 12:10:58 UTC  

because in unrrestricted capitalism the corporations don't care about the nationality that does the job

2018-06-04 12:11:01 UTC  

i wouldn't mind if illegals were just killed at th eborder

2018-06-04 12:11:05 UTC  

the only thing they care is the bottom line

2018-06-04 12:11:12 UTC  

we do not live in a society of unrestricted capitalism

2018-06-04 12:11:18 UTC  

which means it is not an economic issue

2018-06-04 12:11:29 UTC  

its restricted but it lobbies the state

2018-06-04 12:11:35 UTC  

the money constantly enters

2018-06-04 12:11:40 UTC  

only the big corporations do

2018-06-04 12:11:40 UTC  

so is it really restricted?

2018-06-04 12:11:42 UTC  

and that is an issue

2018-06-04 12:11:50 UTC  

It is government lobbying that has corporations hiring cheap illegal labor

2018-06-04 12:12:09 UTC  

business subsidization should be done away with, and so should lobbying

2018-06-04 12:12:40 UTC  

or is it the other way around the corporations lobbying the governmet with their superpacks and big money in order to increase the immigration so they can improve their bottom line

2018-06-04 12:12:55 UTC  

That one

2018-06-04 12:12:57 UTC  

1920s America faced what would be considered actual unrestricted corporate influence

2018-06-04 12:13:06 UTC  

and that was bad, and the Progressives thought they dealt with it

2018-06-04 12:13:22 UTC  

but they really only caused other problems lol

2018-06-04 12:13:24 UTC  

corporatism =/= capitalism

2018-06-04 12:13:28 UTC  

they solved nothing

2018-06-04 12:13:33 UTC  

they just shifted the issues

2018-06-04 12:13:34 UTC  

not real capitalism

2018-06-04 12:14:00 UTC  

you keep pointing at this thing, that isn't what that thing is.

2018-06-04 12:14:09 UTC  

capitalism is a free and open market -- corporatism is not all of capitalism

2018-06-04 12:14:27 UTC  

there are different degrees and aspects to such a concept

2018-06-04 12:15:08 UTC  

it is flawed, as all human institutions are, and some types are better and worse than others, but it is by far the best socioeconomic system devised thus far

2018-06-04 12:15:31 UTC  

FYI

2018-06-04 12:15:46 UTC  

the concept behing capitalism is free enterprise

2018-06-04 12:15:47 UTC  

Capitalism arose in the 1600's

2018-06-04 12:15:47 UTC  

for whatever reason, a lot of people seem to misconstrue capitalism as pure corporatism or something it is not

2018-06-04 12:15:54 UTC  

yes, it is

2018-06-04 12:15:57 UTC  

do you agree?

2018-06-04 12:16:18 UTC  

free enterprise and private ownership of industry

2018-06-04 12:16:18 UTC  

so the state can't control what the corp does

2018-06-04 12:16:38 UTC  

so if they wanted to import immigrants there's nothing the state can do