Message from @Amadeus

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2018-06-04 12:11:40 UTC  

so is it really restricted?

2018-06-04 12:11:42 UTC  

and that is an issue

2018-06-04 12:11:50 UTC  

It is government lobbying that has corporations hiring cheap illegal labor

2018-06-04 12:12:09 UTC  

business subsidization should be done away with, and so should lobbying

2018-06-04 12:12:40 UTC  

or is it the other way around the corporations lobbying the governmet with their superpacks and big money in order to increase the immigration so they can improve their bottom line

2018-06-04 12:12:55 UTC  

That one

2018-06-04 12:12:57 UTC  

1920s America faced what would be considered actual unrestricted corporate influence

2018-06-04 12:13:06 UTC  

and that was bad, and the Progressives thought they dealt with it

2018-06-04 12:13:22 UTC  

but they really only caused other problems lol

2018-06-04 12:13:24 UTC  

corporatism =/= capitalism

2018-06-04 12:13:28 UTC  

they solved nothing

2018-06-04 12:13:33 UTC  

they just shifted the issues

2018-06-04 12:13:34 UTC  

not real capitalism

2018-06-04 12:14:00 UTC  

you keep pointing at this thing, that isn't what that thing is.

2018-06-04 12:14:09 UTC  

capitalism is a free and open market -- corporatism is not all of capitalism

2018-06-04 12:14:27 UTC  

there are different degrees and aspects to such a concept

2018-06-04 12:15:08 UTC  

it is flawed, as all human institutions are, and some types are better and worse than others, but it is by far the best socioeconomic system devised thus far

2018-06-04 12:15:31 UTC  

FYI

2018-06-04 12:15:46 UTC  

the concept behing capitalism is free enterprise

2018-06-04 12:15:47 UTC  

Capitalism arose in the 1600's

2018-06-04 12:15:47 UTC  

for whatever reason, a lot of people seem to misconstrue capitalism as pure corporatism or something it is not

2018-06-04 12:15:54 UTC  

yes, it is

2018-06-04 12:15:57 UTC  

do you agree?

2018-06-04 12:16:18 UTC  

free enterprise and private ownership of industry

2018-06-04 12:16:18 UTC  

so the state can't control what the corp does

2018-06-04 12:16:38 UTC  

so if they wanted to import immigrants there's nothing the state can do

2018-06-04 12:16:45 UTC  

under laissez-faire capitalism, yes, but free enterprise =/= total 100% freedom of corporation

2018-06-04 12:17:15 UTC  

free enterprise is the freedom to choose your service and not be forced into one monopoly

2018-06-04 12:17:29 UTC  

(((ayn rand)))

2018-06-04 12:18:02 UTC  

there should be regulations to the market, but it should not be limited as to hinder private ownership and your economic freedoms

2018-06-04 12:18:15 UTC  

agreed

2018-06-04 12:18:32 UTC  

but that's easily subverted

2018-06-04 12:18:35 UTC  

its what you had

2018-06-04 12:18:45 UTC  

and the corporationism easily took hold

2018-06-04 12:19:20 UTC  

it is not only corporations, though -- they do play a part, but the Government is at major fault as well

2018-06-04 12:19:35 UTC  

agreed as well

2018-06-04 12:19:40 UTC  

the concept of "too big to fail" creates problems

2018-06-04 12:19:43 UTC  

they are the ones that take the money after all

2018-06-04 12:20:19 UTC  

u have issues with outsourcing your jobs

2018-06-04 12:20:20 UTC  

the Government and big corporations should never be allies lol