I agree the ACLU has totally lost its way :-(

I will no longer be a member which breaks my heart

Nobody notices the intersections taken over by commie larpers?

There are individuals in the organization that aren't shit, but they are severely outnumbered.

The ACLU I believe in supported the KKK's right to march through Skokie.

They did

That ACLU is dead.

:-(

Same. But that's the thing. Either the ACLU needs to get retaken or destroyed and replaced.

the ACLU once fought for cop cams i believe, only to then argue they are racist for recording

Just replace it

It's not enough to just whine.

jeez. <https://www.aclu.org/> looks like a boilerplate anti-trump NGO website.

or maybe that was just the far left in total

@pratel its just that my track record with loose organizations has been terrible, Gamergate didnt have a clearly defined goal and ended up encompasing everything under the sun, which in the end caused it to fracture when individual groups got what they wanted

FIRE is already doing some of that work tbh

a clear mission statement makes itclear to people what the end goal is

and cements peoples expectactions of what needs to be done to reach it

@boag I wouldn't be so sure. I think it's that it lost momentum and got the few solid goals it could ask for. Like awards for journalism.

they wanted body cams to catch bad cops. then it turned out "bad" cops were much more rare then they claimed, and it started proving that these "racist" cops were just doing their job catching crimes. So quickly body cams because racist

im pretty sure most of the lefts missions statements is destroy republicans

It's broader than that. It's to rebuild society.

not even

its just gain and maintain power by any means necessary

That implies there's a vision for replacement

Socialism?

It's mostly just a demolition plan

the lefts version of repeal and replace

One big distinguishing factor is that the left believes in unmitigated warfare against it's domestic opponents to reach it's aims. The right isn't nearly as ruthless. There's a brilliant slatestarcodex post which describes it as "the red tribe's outgroup is foreigners. The blue tribe's outgroup is the red tribe"

Socialism won't work when they're done either

step 1 remove
step 2 ?????
step 3 better world

anyways we need a solid fundamental goal in mind to form an unshakable foundation for the group

You guys need to see things from their point of view better @Beemann @Grenade123

so that petty arguments can be settle by just reminding them of the end goal

I'm not so sure @boag

I live in their territory

what point of view?

or which i should ask?

And actually, one BIG issue with libertarians is that we spend forever fighting over pointless principles and never talk strategy or tactics.

exactly

That's great @Beemann I'm basically in academia. I *live* in their territory