in the end it causes infighting to not have an authority figure come in and stamp out the problem or mediate

sargon v metokour proves that

I don't mean like a command structure; just some sort of basic organization to keep the loudest and most histrionic from dominating the conversation.

Fair. Though that's why the left doesn't talk much to people like Tim.

Bigger question is- what's your funding infrastructure? Yer gonna get the black spot

High extroversion and low agreeableness seem to be prerequisites for content creators.

Tim being sort of an odd duck here in that he has high agreeableness.

That's another thing. How to pressure payment systems.

Yeah, the trade association would be a bloc.

That I find to be an actual problem

I think the "payment" angle is being used as cover for not doing anything and making excuses. Let's not go there.

There's also time and networks, which as of yet are very cheap.

And from those you can go after money.

We're seeing the bloc tactic informally being used now against Patreon.

It's been used for a while now. Look at Operation Chokepoint and all the financial organizations rallying against the firearms industry.

If an association could have a vote and organize a credible threat to leave a platform as a bloc, that would give bargaining power.

Well I mean the obvious imperfect answer is crypto and physical money transfer when available

Also, Atkins, since I can't DM you, you REALLY should look at my minds page. There's stuff there I'd want to share with you that I wouldn't want to put on an open server.

That's about as unsubtle a hint as I can give.

Ok, you answered your own question Beemann. I've told you why I think crypto is a poor long term solution. But that's not the point here.

I wouldn't consider it a long term solution, but rather a stopgap

Whatever works. The point is to start seriously talking about organizing to fight censorship.

Another issue is how international this shit is. It may become necessary to consolidate numbers, simply on the basis of being able to shift at least one country and/or facilitate service-free money transfer

Not sure what you mean by consolidate numbers

I think he means geographically concentrating.

We're a political minority spread across multiple continents with most of our infrastructure being potentially compromised as a result. It may be necessary to consolidate numbers physically in one or a few locations

As much as people seem to hate meatspace it does have its undeniable advantages

You mean physically move people? That's a massive investment. I don't think it's feasible for most people.

I would be strongly against that as a potential gatekeep.

just hire some NGOs

lmao

Also, I'd argue geographic dispersion is a strength, it's harder to target.

All of our communication, money transfer, and resource networks are potentially compromised unless they're on the blockchain

If MasterCard decides to yeet this, what's the backup?

You don't. you form small local groups and communicate with alternative methods.

There's still open radio for example.

And if the networks are so dead, how exactly does anything get done at all?

At that point, you're stuck geographically consolidated whether you like it or not.

The networks haven't been yeeted now, that doesn't mean they won't ever be

@Beemann BITCOIN CRYPTO /s

We've discussed crypto, honestly. It's just bad as anything more than a temporary replacement unfortunately