It's been used for a while now. Look at Operation Chokepoint and all the financial organizations rallying against the firearms industry.

If an association could have a vote and organize a credible threat to leave a platform as a bloc, that would give bargaining power.

Well I mean the obvious imperfect answer is crypto and physical money transfer when available

Also, Atkins, since I can't DM you, you REALLY should look at my minds page. There's stuff there I'd want to share with you that I wouldn't want to put on an open server.

That's about as unsubtle a hint as I can give.

Ok, you answered your own question Beemann. I've told you why I think crypto is a poor long term solution. But that's not the point here.

I wouldn't consider it a long term solution, but rather a stopgap

Whatever works. The point is to start seriously talking about organizing to fight censorship.

Another issue is how international this shit is. It may become necessary to consolidate numbers, simply on the basis of being able to shift at least one country and/or facilitate service-free money transfer

Not sure what you mean by consolidate numbers

I think he means geographically concentrating.

We're a political minority spread across multiple continents with most of our infrastructure being potentially compromised as a result. It may be necessary to consolidate numbers physically in one or a few locations

As much as people seem to hate meatspace it does have its undeniable advantages

You mean physically move people? That's a massive investment. I don't think it's feasible for most people.

I would be strongly against that as a potential gatekeep.

just hire some NGOs

lmao

Also, I'd argue geographic dispersion is a strength, it's harder to target.

All of our communication, money transfer, and resource networks are potentially compromised unless they're on the blockchain

If MasterCard decides to yeet this, what's the backup?

You don't. you form small local groups and communicate with alternative methods.

There's still open radio for example.

And if the networks are so dead, how exactly does anything get done at all?

At that point, you're stuck geographically consolidated whether you like it or not.

The networks haven't been yeeted now, that doesn't mean they won't ever be

@Beemann BITCOIN CRYPTO /s

We've discussed crypto, honestly. It's just bad as anything more than a temporary replacement unfortunately

I'm still going to say that trying to move people en masse is a bad idea.

That's really expensive and risky for most people.

And it's a good way to isolate yourself in the long run.

I would say less so gated libertarian community, more physical backup

What's that supposed to mean exactly?

Because if you say "move to X" or "X is where we do Y" you're setting up a soft gatekeep whether you want to or not.

Okay so the Euros are actually not in a terrible position since a lot of them already visit each other, particularly the UK lads

Still have to deal with jobs and stuff for everyone moving.

Oh, and looking up I'll point out that the right is just as anti-libertarian as the left. Both wants the right to silence people who don't think like them. Until recently it was the right that tried to muzzle creators like comic books, movies, and games. All those ratings systems were an effort to keep from being censored by the right, not the left.

Ok, left right doesn't really matter much does it? It's policies that matter. Not teams.

Let's not divide ourselves on historical faultlines.

^^ AGREEED

So I'll rephrase. Keep your religion out of my bedroom, my movies, my games, my comics, and my life

US/Canada is a bigger problem but there's probably a way to physically link people