Message from @Iakovos

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2018-07-09 16:08:35 UTC  

I can take the easy way out and say, it's something I can't explain

2018-07-09 16:08:37 UTC  

I read a book on Nihilism.

2018-07-09 16:09:01 UTC  

Neisztche explained a lot, despite being a madman.

2018-07-09 16:09:05 UTC  

Reality is that we all struggle with some questions we can't understand the answers to, questions that only make more questions

2018-07-09 16:09:47 UTC  

I have to accept that I don't have to know or understand everything in the universe and in fact it would be impossible

2018-07-09 16:10:25 UTC  

And my refusal to believe in an omni-powerful god helps me understand the universe better. There might be something out there, I don't know nor care. But I do not think it is omnipotent.

2018-07-09 16:10:37 UTC  

So I just walk back to the beginning. Everything came from something. Nothing is self creating. There is nothing in existence that willed itself into existence from non existence (you can see the logic here)

2018-07-09 16:10:57 UTC  

Then how did God create himself?

2018-07-09 16:11:01 UTC  

Or was he always there?

2018-07-09 16:11:29 UTC  

If he was always there, the universe can *technically* create itself by the same logic.

2018-07-09 16:12:00 UTC  

The only way to break that loop is that God is, well, God.

2018-07-09 16:12:23 UTC  

I see where you're coming from. However, I will have to disagree.

2018-07-09 16:12:32 UTC  

I can see how that would make sense.

2018-07-09 16:12:34 UTC  

Because if there is no God, then you would still have to accept that ultimately the universe created itself

2018-07-09 16:13:32 UTC  

Or, if you believe in God, it means a being, with possibly other beings, created themselves and became perfect represenations of how intelligent conscious being are to act like.

2018-07-09 16:14:10 UTC  

Sorry for typos btw

2018-07-09 16:14:15 UTC  

On my cellphone xD

2018-07-09 16:14:37 UTC  

But how can something self create, basically to make itself exist before it even existed? It would be like you writing a letter before you were even conceived

2018-07-09 16:15:04 UTC  

And it's like producing a child without having sex. The child being God.

2018-07-09 16:15:25 UTC  

The origins of our universe will quite possibly forever be a mystery.

2018-07-09 16:15:29 UTC  

And it should be that way

2018-07-09 16:15:53 UTC  

Or else the basis of religion falters and fails, and later the collapse of civilized society.

2018-07-09 16:16:08 UTC  

And the only explanation for existence at all would be a god. Which god, be it Odin vs YHWH or whoever is a different debate

2018-07-09 16:16:38 UTC  

As someone who believes in a one party, authoritarian state, religion is merely a tool for the ruling party to use to control people.

2018-07-09 16:17:10 UTC  

Even the "big bang" does not create matter, it only distributes it. The theory itself came from a priest

2018-07-09 16:18:20 UTC  

Again, it's a mystery.

2018-07-09 16:18:31 UTC  

And I don't like basing my life off of assumptions.

2018-07-09 16:18:39 UTC  

No doubt some religions were made to control. All religions were used that way in one way or another

2018-07-09 16:19:18 UTC  

But if a religion was made by a wise ruler to control the behavior of his subjects and make them do good/refrain from evil, where did he get the idea? What made certain acts good or bad?

2018-07-09 16:19:38 UTC  

Why is homosexuality wrong if kept in private?

2018-07-09 16:20:31 UTC  

Have you ever heard of Immanuel Kant?

2018-07-09 16:20:41 UTC  

Where did he get his ideas morality?

2018-07-09 16:20:57 UTC  

He thought long and hard for himself, just as the lawyers did.

2018-07-09 16:21:36 UTC  

"imagine a world in which everybody did the thing always. would that be a good world? no? then you must never do the thing at all ever"

2018-07-09 16:21:43 UTC  

thonking the big thonk

2018-07-09 16:22:08 UTC  

That's a logical fallacy

2018-07-09 16:22:25 UTC  

Let me explain.

2018-07-09 16:22:28 UTC  

Well

2018-07-09 16:22:30 UTC  

that's kant's categorical imperative

2018-07-09 16:22:33 UTC  

Sorry

2018-07-09 16:22:41 UTC  

I meant you got his imperative wrong*