Message from @Rickard
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@DrYuriMom I’m not the one who thinks that differences in race majorly influence behaviors.
You can't even do that Dev. Behavior is also influenced by environment. While the linkage to some basic behaviors to genes is evident, environment also works in the same sphere. And once behaviors themselves are muddied up with environmental factors, then so is the correlation to everything downstream of these base behaviors, like political beliefs
From the very root of people's behavior, environment fights with genes, and the further downstream you get with the more compound emergent behaviors, the more environment is displayed over genetics
I'm claiming that genetics has a greater role in explaining behavioral differences betwen you and your 1000th cousin than between you and your first cousin, which shouldn't be debatable.
I don't even acknowledge such a thing as race. All traits are a range and they can appear in anyone. We all mix genetics and have been fir millions of years but particularly the past six thousand.
It is absolutely debatable. If my 1000th cousin is my adopted borther, and my 1st cousin lives in the hood we will absolutely act differently
We've done a lot more diverging than mixing over the last 150,000 years.
I'll only grant you 50/50 for the most basic behaviors for genes and environment, but as I've said, the further you complicate an observed action by a human, the more environment takes over genes
Over the past 150,000 years, yes. But in the past 6000 years, we've been converging. Especially the past 500.
Cousin degree refers to genetic distance, it has absolutely nothing to do with adoption.
I know you mongoloid
And personally I thing broader mixing of genes is a good thing.
I'm saying that environment will compete against genes in that situation
I would though say race very much is a real thing. Just that the some claimed differences simply are not there whilst some are.
Skincolor does not come from nowhere, right? Perhaps you have a different view on this? @DrYuriMom
There is a reason as to why there almost always is a black sprinter winning the Olympics
The most basic point that I made today completely flew over your head
@DrWittMDPhD Dev really doesn’t understand genetics. He pretty much just assumes genetics influences everything. He then says ‘well environment too’ when proven wrong
Race is simply natural selection acting when slow transport kept populations isolated
I explained earlier about how melanin protects against cancer but worsens rickets
That's why equatorial peoples selected for dark skin and polar peoples for light skin. That's all there is to it.
and doesn't continous education and expansion of knowledge and logic expand and better overall IQ..?
Biological evolution involves natural selection and genetic drift.
Yes
@Rickard yes. Plus, it’s difficult to say how much IQ itself affects behavior.
Right, don't address my basic point that you tripped over.
But we've been converging for 6000 years as transportation has improved
Horses. Boats. Lots of migration.
Transportation alone isn't mixing the entire global population all that much.
@Salacious Swanky Cat yeah, i'm not even trying to argue on that point, just widen the overall discussion.
My angle is that there still is nothing speaking for genetics infuencing political belief
Hitler was a smart lad on many aspects, still a socialist.
@Rickard I know. I’m just putting it out there.
Being communist, socialist, kapitalist etc. is most likely not realted to IQ nor race.
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having a high IQ doesnt make you immune to stupidity as a lot of ppl seem to think these days
@Rickard I agree.
Class or economic success is related to IQ. That's one big reason why psychologists care about it.
theyre good indicators
@Rickard the core of the argument between me and dev is that he seriously believes that racal genetic differences makes racial integration impossible/undesirable.
but you can still be successful in something and be a total dumbass on everything else
It's a good predictor of social outcomes.
a "smart" person realizes this
a dumb "smart" person does not