And the whole process takes lots of time.

in a hypothetical town of 1000 voters with 100% voter turnout, we can have a voter roll that is checked off as people cast their ballots into a secure box. if the chain of custody of that secure box is broken, it can simply be replaced with another visually indistinguishable box containing 1000 different ballots. no way to know the switch happened. especially if observers are prevented from watching things.

And so there's lots of opportunities for shenanigans.

All voting mechanisms require a chain of custody

We have observers

these florida counties are not using anything particularly sophisticated. pieces of heavy paper in off-the-shelf plastic bins.

Which is why banning the press is very scary Cat

I've seen magic tricks. I don't trust observers sitting there for hours to notice everything.

What would you suggest then? Video surveillance?

I do not understand what is happening in Broward County

if they know that bin #47 has 2684 ballots in it, they can just swap it out with another identical bin with that many fake ballots.

Only if there is a break in the chain of custody

they can do this inside one of their rented commercial trucks

I mean...fraud? It at-least looks suspicious. And Snipes has been caught before. Many, many times.

Like I said above, create procedures and follow them

yeah, and they're not

hence the lawsuits.

Yup

"follow them" hahahahaha. You have way more faith in people than I do.

Which only requires one link in the chain to be negligent or subverted.

hence the judicial orders.

I'm a manager. It is my job to ensure we have procedures and people follow them.

The thing though, if they get the result they want. They will do it again.

@DrYuriMom and what happens when you become an activist?

That's the most \*\*\*\*'d up part

and once the chain of custody is broken, and you have someone overseeing the election who has already been found guilty of tampering, then you have to assume the same thing has happened. there's no way any rational person can view broward county's results as legitimate.

I don't intend to become an activist

Im not the type

You got a test for that and people wanting to be in positions of political power who would pass that?

i would guess that cat has a high level of conscientiousness, as per the five factor personality model.

but many others do not.

in fact, such people have been proven to be rarer on the left

I am often told my greatest flaw is my gullibility

@DrYuriMom Grenade's point is that activists flout the rules when convenient. There's whole books written and studied in the various grievance studies departments about how to bend or break the rules and get away with it to get the change you want. I can pull up a couple if you want. Run the corruption up high enough and you can get away with basically anything.

I trust

This is why i don't trust the government and think the only good government is one fighting itself.

@DrYuriMom I wish I could have that much faith in people. I've seen too much.

Because the people who want to be in government, rarely are the people you want in government. And you, the people, are the enemy of the government.

Only you can take away their power

I do like split government

If they are fighting themselves, they are not fighting you.