Message from @Illyrian

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2018-11-13 16:39:23 UTC  

@Illyrian The Commies buit enough Full Auto AKS for every adult to fight WW3, After the Soviet Empire collapsed Eastern Europe had tons of AKs floating around. The americans sent suits in to make deals with the EE leaders. They set up companies in Europe who bought the carbines from the government, and completely took them apart, scrapped the Full Auto parts and Receiver and then shipped all the rest of the parts back to the states for sale to Americans

2018-11-13 16:39:23 UTC  

Is what I said proper gun-handling?

2018-11-13 16:39:28 UTC  

Always treat it like it's loaded.

2018-11-13 16:40:00 UTC  

@Khanclansith I am aware of that.

2018-11-13 16:41:22 UTC  

@Illyrian The Parts Kits came into the states as bags of parts, now to be made here in the states, they have to be built on US made receivers. The end result was despite corruption, it was more proffitable to destroy the AKs and send to parts than to sell them on the black market.

2018-11-13 16:41:36 UTC  

It helps that the AK-47 is cheap and easy to manufacture.

2018-11-13 16:42:06 UTC  

Where did you learn this, by the way?

2018-11-13 16:42:19 UTC  

AK-47s were actually hazardous to the Soviets, so the AKM quickly took it's place in 1959.

2018-11-13 16:42:28 UTC  

Hazardous?

2018-11-13 16:42:29 UTC  

AKMs, PKs, PKMs, RPKs, AK74s, RPK74s

2018-11-13 16:42:51 UTC  

Yes, those are Soviet machine gun patterns.

2018-11-13 16:43:00 UTC  

Yes, apparently there were quite a few flaws with the AK-47, that not many notice.

2018-11-13 16:43:10 UTC  

Heavy and inaccurate?

2018-11-13 16:43:47 UTC  

The milled receiver was bulky and the barrel would wobble when it fired.

2018-11-13 16:44:21 UTC  

Is that any worse than the M16A1’s stupidly delicate firing mechanism?

2018-11-13 16:44:43 UTC  

AK-47s broke apart after a few hundred rounds and most failed QC at the factory, they were replaced with AK-49s (Forged Receivers) and those proved unsatisfactory, and were replaced with what we call type 3 receivers.

2018-11-13 16:44:54 UTC  

Got it.

2018-11-13 16:45:07 UTC  

Damn, you really know your firearms.

2018-11-13 16:45:41 UTC  

I’m jealous that I’ve been out-trivia’ed.

2018-11-13 16:45:46 UTC  

Technical Specialist.

2018-11-13 16:46:06 UTC  

You’re a consultant?

2018-11-13 16:46:06 UTC  

I tought classes on this while I was in the Army

2018-11-13 16:46:11 UTC  

Got it.

2018-11-13 16:46:19 UTC  

The M16 was the epic fail of American rifles. The M16A1 was an improvement.

2018-11-13 16:46:27 UTC  

Sorry, I didn’t mean to challenge your expertise.

2018-11-13 16:46:58 UTC  

Wasn’t it the M16A2 that was the improvement in Vietnam?

2018-11-13 16:47:18 UTC  

no, M16A2 was in the late 70s early 80s

2018-11-13 16:47:30 UTC  

47s and its generation has been cycled out at this point though. Pretty sure there's a whole lot of them rusting in abandoned stockpiles now

2018-11-13 16:47:34 UTC  

The M16A1 was in service by 1968.

2018-11-13 16:47:36 UTC  

After NATO adopted the 5.56NATO

2018-11-13 16:47:43 UTC  

The A1 was the model that only had burst fire, right?

2018-11-13 16:48:01 UTC  

No, it had semi and full-auto.

2018-11-13 16:48:01 UTC  

A2 are burst, A1 full auto

2018-11-13 16:48:06 UTC  

Got it.

2018-11-13 16:48:32 UTC  

Weren’t automatic M1 Carbines also being used in Vietnam?

2018-11-13 16:48:37 UTC  

Yes.

2018-11-13 16:48:44 UTC  

Also used in Korea.

2018-11-13 16:49:15 UTC  

I’m a history major, so historical weaponry interests me.

2018-11-13 16:49:36 UTC  

M1s by then were upgraded to M2s but yes they were used by MAC-V and MAC-V supplied RoVA units

2018-11-13 16:50:11 UTC  

@Khanclansith If you don’t mind my asking, where did you serve while in the Army?

2018-11-13 16:51:08 UTC  

I was a headquarters monkey out at Shafter for 3 and half years, and I was in HHBN 10th Mountain Division.