Message from @Stefan Payne
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And people wonder why mgtow exists
MGTOW is dumb.
It does nothing really positive at the end of the day.
It's a reasonable reaction, but that's it.
It is also the end of the species.
Wait, are you telling me that if men and women don't breed there will one day be no more men or women?
No, that you ned a Jihad for mankind
It looks like a classic overpopulation study.
Gawker (gizmodo is a Gawker property) is of course pushing politics in it. But it's really a study in overpopulation.
Funny story: birthrates in most of the developed world (including, recently, the US) have fallen below replacement levels.
Utopia Experiment is well documented and easy to find at least
The fact that if not for immigration the developed world (including China and, most seriously, Japan) would be declining is a difficult angle in the immigration debate.
Well the question is: would the decline eventually stop if we stopped "artificially" replacing people?
Not sure what you mean by "artificially replacing people" but when your birthrate is 1.93 or something the population would be shrinking over time.
Yes, but there's two questions there
Why are people having fewer kids?
Will they have more kids eventually? And if so when?
So 2.5 really
What we do now is, instead of asking that question, bring people over from other countries. Some of these countries have population problems of their own
problem is africa is fucking like crazy
That was the whole world not too long ago.
It used to be that kids were social security. We've now broken the link between having kids and security in old age. Women also work and many find fulfillment in careers equal to or greater than caring for children.
It's not realistic to expect constant growth forever though
I don't think anyone knows why there's so few births. the 19.3 was France, which, If I remember correctly, actually pays women to have kids at this point and pushes families very hard.
I think it's cultural and has to do with modernity. 10th amendment make sense.
If so, we should expect to see more births in Asia.
And with automation making economic productivity possible without people, is population deflation even a concern?
we're not really pair bonding anymore.
That's my other big point
The automation bit
That's a good question. Is births important.
young people aren't forming couples and marrying.
I think it is. There's limits on automation.
and without that stability it's not responsible for anyone to have kids.
If we eventually settle back to a couple billion peeps in the world, is that a bad thing?
Atkins is also right, the marriage rate for millenials is something like 30% by 35 last I saw.
Shouldn't we be concerned about the number of people we're bringing in when multiple job sectors will see shrinkage?
And yeah marriages have been fucked for decades now haven't they?
Rising divorce rates, declining engagement rates
when you get into your 30s, the dating market is almost entirely single moms.