I wonder if that could be a generational thing too and what other factors come into play

because that just leads to 'muh wage gap'

I know my sister complains about not finding any "suitable" men.

And she gets all sorts of suitors.

that's what i'm trying to get at. the choosiness problem.

in the past, when stable couples were the norm, forming a couple was a necessary economic arrangement. neither partner alone was capable of having a middle class lifestyle on their own.

Hyper-pickyness so picky nothing is good enough

but now that they are, there's no impetus for women to settle. they can just keep waiting for Mr. Perfect six-figures.

Let them wait. They can't biologically wait forever.

Maybe they'll find him. But odds are they'll just fritter away their child-bearing years in a series of flings.

Or become a single mom.

The series of flings seems to be the norm. You read lots of articles in places like the NYTimes about freezing eggs and things too.

I got a feeling alot of millenial men are also just not as interested in playing the game. Or they play it differently too. Why commit when everything is so transient?

Then you get to the MGTOW types.

Probably a lot of regular guys who give up to despair.

That's from OKCupid's data.

Probably. I gave up a long time ago myself.

I've got better things to do than chase people who don't want to be chased.

Online Dating is awful

also, I doubt OKcupid has the proper rating for most women in their data

"The first words of their bio are I am a fun loving girl who loves her family and the guy went into coma after reading those words"

Women don't usually find men physically attractive. That *used* to not be a problem.

Is that because money was invovled back then?

Money and skills, yes. Provisions for the woman, so that she might focus on other things she cared about, traditionally family and the local society.

But now, most women just work a job like a man, so...really, what do they need a man for?

The opposite is true as well though

What does a guy really need a girl for?

Do you really want to be with someone who's with you for your money?

Me? Not really

not that I have any to begin with "{

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Children would be the main thing.

Well, so long as you don't mind societal collapse none of this is really an issue.

Sorry, that was for Bookworm.

We can all enter old age and infirmity as attachmentless singletons and hope our nurses aren't too cruel.

Maybe if we're lucky they'll speak English.

Like our kids

won't just stick us in nursing homes anyways

All of my grandparents died in their own homes.

Enter old age? I don't plan to live that long.