But it's very likely related.

For much of history women got given no choice in marriage. They were chattel to be sold off to the highest bidder to their fathers. I kinda don't mind this having a choice thing.

I don't think anyone's arguing that should be the case 10th.

it's not feasible for all men to be doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc, who make $150k/yr. that's always going to be a small pool of men.

Does the ability to be more choosy also typically carry over to unfaithfulness? For both sexes?

Open relationships are toxic waste

I have seen that over and over

The millenial men have fallen behind. Childless millenial women outearn millenial men something like 15% on average. They're also more educated.

Fidelity is mana to a marriage

Look at that recent vid Tim had about increasing unemployment among white millenial men. Tim's explanations are all wrong, but the numbers are fact,

Agreed, 10th. Open relationships inevitably break into a hierarchy and endless competition for attention.

I hear people saying that women don't like men who make less than them, but I know several men married to women who make more than them and both members of the couple profess to be happy.

That's a selection bias though.

Possibly

You've only found them after they were coupled.

the solution to the problem cannot be that all men must increase their income by an additional $50k/year

Agreed

I wonder if that could be a generational thing too and what other factors come into play

because that just leads to 'muh wage gap'

I know my sister complains about not finding any "suitable" men.

And she gets all sorts of suitors.

that's what i'm trying to get at. the choosiness problem.

in the past, when stable couples were the norm, forming a couple was a necessary economic arrangement. neither partner alone was capable of having a middle class lifestyle on their own.

Hyper-pickyness so picky nothing is good enough

but now that they are, there's no impetus for women to settle. they can just keep waiting for Mr. Perfect six-figures.

Let them wait. They can't biologically wait forever.

Maybe they'll find him. But odds are they'll just fritter away their child-bearing years in a series of flings.

Or become a single mom.

The series of flings seems to be the norm. You read lots of articles in places like the NYTimes about freezing eggs and things too.

I got a feeling alot of millenial men are also just not as interested in playing the game. Or they play it differently too. Why commit when everything is so transient?

Then you get to the MGTOW types.

Probably a lot of regular guys who give up to despair.

That's from OKCupid's data.

Probably. I gave up a long time ago myself.

I've got better things to do than chase people who don't want to be chased.

Online Dating is awful

also, I doubt OKcupid has the proper rating for most women in their data

"The first words of their bio are I am a fun loving girl who loves her family and the guy went into coma after reading those words"

Women don't usually find men physically attractive. That *used* to not be a problem.

Is that because money was invovled back then?