I think same-sex couple who ensure that their kids have wholesome interaction with members of the unrepresented sex do pretty well

Then again, I'm biased

ideally the federal income tax burden would shrink and the state tax burden would increase to take up the slack. then if the state wants to give benefits, that's their business.

But I've seen plenty of others who follow the same model we do and they all seem to have happy families

and this is something most people just don't understand
pull tax records on the homes in San Francisco's Castro district
a lot of those properties pay next to nothing because ownership has been passed from spouse to spouse
and the taxable value is set on transfer

@DrYuriMom I agree, the thing is, a high number of same-sex couples are deviants

I mean, they promote a lot of weird things

The 10th Amendment embers of my heart burn for you, Atkins 😽

so, from a statistical point of view, it's not a net positive to society

So do hetero couples

I don't think there's been enough time to say that same-sex marriages are actually positive for family structures. Especially when those family structures have been based on a culture that uses male/female forever.

Scientifically

I'm doing grand jury duty right now. Lots of hetero couples are screwed up.

If you want to talk about data

Just like Peterson talks about men and women in the workplace, there just hasn't been enough time devoted to the experiment.

@DrYuriMom the left screwed with family values

so that argument isn't really strong

well, if you listen to haidt or peterson they'd say that people on the right tend to have strong disgust reactions. i'd say that a lot of right-wing types get squicked out pretty hard by the antics at gay pride parades.

But are gays left?

But with that said, I'm not saying you don't deserve a family and love. It just might not work out

Or is "left' an economic thing?

the left thinks they OWN all the gays votes

People keep calling me an outlier, but I will keep saying I get rather peeved when people call *me* the destruction of the family when I've been married faithfully for 29 years and have two wonderful kids, 17yo and 19yo. I get that from divorcees. They can pound sand as far as I'm concerned.

The destruction of the family are stupid irresponsible teenagers who have kids in high school and get married as soon as they're 18

I got married at 19yo. Still married to this day. 😃

Atkins, I agree about the Pride Parade stuff. It squicks me out. 😕

Keywords "stupid irresponsible"

^^Fair enough

There are certainly fringe cases of responsible intelligent teens finding their partners

I suppose the real topic for you Cat is what your background/family is which isnt a conversation for here lol. but you might've had a pretty healthy upbringing or are the most patient person on the planet to last in marriage that long

>The destruction of the family are stupid irresponsible teenagers who have kids in high school and get married as soon as they're 18
The other way around

And I'm happy for you being one of them. Just means you get to spend more time with wonderful peoolet

there's data on this. People that sleep around more tend to divorce at much higher rates

Most people that developed under the boomer parent revolution ended up fucked, and it isn't getting any better

I owe my parents everything and have an amazing dad...even if he's somewhat to the left of Karl Marx. 😦

lol

Agreed, Belial. "Open relationships" are toxic waste for long term marriages.

My wife and I have been 100% faithful since we started really dating in 1989.

And you've avoided lbd? :P

Anyway, we'll see how data comes in over time. but having spent time with many couples in many places of this country, it doesn't matter what sex the partners are but rather their stubbornness to make it work that really matters.

lbd?