So we are in agreement. The US government is imperfect and does dumb things.

Right, then we can all agree that Libya was an international disaster that ruined millions of lives and those who acted to make it happen should be condemned and vilified for their acts.

No we are not in agreement. You think it was France's fault and that we were being 'good allies' by helping them. That's complete horseshit.

Obama's legacy is soaked in the blood and tears of the innocent.

This was the US's fault, specifically Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Well, Clinton, that goes without saying.

The woman's practically a caricature at this point.

Are you claiming that HRC manipulated France?

The US was necessary for the Libyan intervention. Without the US there would be no intervention.

I'm claiming Hillary saw it as an opportunity to get a war on her resume.

She toppled a country to make herself look presidential.

So did France desire to act on their own or was France's decision part of HRC's Machiavellian scheme?

France's desires are immaterial as they did not have the capability to act on those desires.

"We came, we saw, he died."

If the whole of Europe wanted to intervene in Libya they would've struggled and ultimately failed.

[Laughs in Killary]

The US, on the other hand, could have done so alone.

France was utterly immaterial.

I'm curious where is your hated and vitriol for Bush II?

We're not talking about Bush. We're talking about Hillary and Libya.

Stop deflecting.

How is that relevant?

Where are your demeaning terms for him?

You're better than this.

No, you lost me when you used the term "cunt"

Are you defending Hillary?

This isn't about Libya, this is about HRC

No, I;m not defending HRC

She laughed for getting someone off for rape she knew was guilty and about killing Gaddafi.

Is HRC not, by colloquial definition, a cunt?

If it offends you that someone uses the C word for a person like that, I think you have something else coming.

But I am curious why the double standard for HRC and Bush II

Hmm? You mean why he's calling HRC a cunt and not Bush?

They were both POS's, no?

I'm not going to moderate my language just because someone happens to have a vagina. And there is no double standard because we're not talking about Bush. Bush doesn't enter into this.

Stop deflecting.

Probably because Bush is a man and Atkins is not Australian or British.

Libya was stupid. Iraq was stupid. Which part of this is in error?

The part where you said it was France's fault.

And where you said we were being 'good allies'

Both were stupid. What point are we trying to make here?