yes, but how do you find out what is too high

Grenade, I personally think we need to do like we do for corporate fraud and require all corporations to have a human resource officer to sign that they are responsible for hiring practices. That person must have authority over hiring practices. If the company is found to be hiring illegals in a systemic or negligent manner, that person goes to jail.

This and large corporate fines will solve the problem pretty quick.

and how do you know it won't go from being reasonable, to suddently being too high?

But anyhow I really am about to start driving, be back in half an hour

np

No one takes seriously punishing those who hire illegals

If there was no market for their labor, the issue would minimize pretty quick

there wouldn't be a market if not for min wage and people not willing to work.

Oh, eliminating the min in my mind would *increase* demand for illegal labor

It would decrease demand for automation

i don't think it would increase demand for illegal labor

it wouldn't necessarily decrease it either

If illegals are willing to work below the price point for robots, why not? Unless we strengthen the punishments for employing them.

but it would put law abiding citizens on equal footing

why are we punishing companies for people wanting to work?

you'd rather these people make 0 money AND encourage automation to remove more jobs?

are you for people working or against?

Punish them for hiring people who do not have the right to work in the US

For working, against hiring those who do not have the legal right to work here

i don't know if the company should be the one punished for the crimes of an individual.

It takes two to commit this crime, both the worker willing to be payed below the minimum wage, and the employer who pays it

well that is different to what i was saying, which is to remove min wage.

But idk if its better to have a minimum wage or not

Right, it sure does simplify things i suppose

if you remove that, then what crime has a company really committed besides ones made up to catch the individual.

There wouldnt be any crime, if there were no minimum wage

I dont think that's a major issue

Isn't the plausibility of no minimum wage, the contention?

I don't think min wage is necessary. its too static and slow changing.

Just like Congress *smacks knee*

i mean, the government is slow moving by design.

if anything, its designed to fight itself for power and not really get anything done.

its supposed to be the states who really do things

And rightfully so, i would expect the federal government to properly establish viable ordinances in every county

In a nationwide manner

But anyways i suppose it comes down to whether the lack of a minimum wage benefits the majority of the citizens

Actually I think that ending the minimum wage would just make it worse

Think about it, having no minimum wage would not incentivize hiring Americans

An American still looks to progression in their wage

An illegal, would work for the same small amount forever if they could