We Yanks can't see past the Gulf Stream after all. I always love hearing from actual Europeeps.

I am with 4AM critter in fact I would say most social solutions shouldn't be German, but rather tailored to the area in which the problem arises.

Six other countries have a better than germany ratio of GDP p population
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita>

Never been to Germany, but with the social programs they have been pushing, I doubt that is sustainable in the long-term

2 of those are also tax havens

And Iceland only still exists because their government was bailed out
To be fair

Don’t get me wrong, I like Germany, the country, the people, the language. I frequently travel there for work and pleasure.

I have delt with plenty of Germans but always outside of Germany.

The EU is taking the same corrupt arc as the US without the direct representation

the problem isn't the elitism imo

the problem is that the elites that are calling the shots are incompetent

That is always the problem.

Incompetence beyond migration?

I'd like to hear the list of grievances from actual Europeeps

All I hear is about migration

Well there was the outright lie that when this all started. "No, no we will not have a European Union Army."

@DrYuriMom I'm not european but their unsustainable welfare program is likely one of them

I wanna hear from Europeans. I know the US resists safety nets. But Europeans often have different perspectives on that.

The no Euro army was before the resurgent Russia. Do the Europeans feel that changes the equation at all?

Post Sochi antics would seem unnerving if I didn't have an ocean between me and Mssr Putin.

I don't think a resurgent Russia should change anyone's mind on "These bureaucrats that don't have any actual oversight having a military force." That seems like a really really bad idea.

Hmm

I mean, I don't feel comfortable about the amount of Military forces the United States has, we also have a bunch of twats who don't know what is in the bill voting on them, but we at least have the right to petition them and go "WHAT THE FUCK" if they do something stupid. You don't have that with the EU, which is really my biggest problem with it as a concept

@DrYuriMom welfare would be the end of europe

the forced immigration just sped-up the issue

Nah, welfare is good

^ lefty spotted =p

Yall just annoyed you have to pay more taxes

guess who doesn't pay taxes? People on welfare

So you think unemployment is bad?

nice way to promote mediocraty

yes

So let's say you get fired

wtf kinda question is that even

I'm unemployed at the moment

I quit myself

what's your point?

Let's say you get fired

Having s small amount of income for s month or 2 is really handy

I mean I will agree that as it is right now it's not good

But there are ways to have good welfare