what do you mean "even innocent"

Is it not possible that society would be more accepting of former convicts if we improved our rehabilitation systems and convicts were better to integrate?

@taekahn if you are found wrongly convicted

Ah

You can get an expungement in that case though

Then you don't have to say yes

Seems like a self feeding cycle. Convicts have poor chances because of society's opinions of them -> they break the law again to thrive -> society has reason to have bad opinions of them

@Schedrevka depends, what if society is the reason we haven't improved it yet?

it is a self feeding cycle

Then change has to be made over time.

but running on the platform of "allow thieves to work in your shop" isn't a popular one.

But saying "this shit is too difficult let's just mercy kill them" is hardly a step in the right direction if you ask me

"Let the drunk driver who killed a kid drive a big rig!"

because the odds alone of them being thieves again are quite high

I don't know, Trump seems to be doing pretty well with his support for that prison reform list

yes.... but that is also partly due to our system

although more true of people in for drug charges

i mean, if you are arrested for drug dealing, then kicked out on your ass with nothing but still know all your contacts, is that a surprise? You don't have much options. Even if you only do it short term to get your feet back under you, if you get caught, you are done.

you are all raising good points on this. I really believe "better 10 guilty go free than one innocent goes to jail" that said im not anti the death penalty. its a tough one

People in jail have plenty of free time on their hands.
If they waste it and then try to figure out what to do with their life *after* jail, isn't that on them?

So are executions really a better option to fix this than creating systems to help former prisoners who are willing to show that they've reformed back on their feet?

@taekahn our jail system doesn't exactly incentivize becoming a better person.

Blackstone's formulation is likely to be better accepted in a safe, orderly, law-abiding society than a dangerous, chaotic, crime-ridden society.

@Schedrevka how do you rehabilitate someone that just spent 25 years in a prison?

I don't know. I'm not anywhere near qualified to decide that.

Blackstone's formulation is idealistic, and isn't going to help improve the lives of the average Honduran or Somalian.

I agree, i think it should.
But i don't think it disincentives it either.

ollr ethfair point, me ei

Training of some sort would be a good start.

fair point me either that should have said lol

@Schedrevka you are executing someone who will never be allowed back into the world to BE a better person. I was talking about those people who get life without possibility of parole.

I think this issue will cease to exist when exile becomes an option

That's an incredibly fatalistic view.

exile worked with austrailia.

People DO manage to get their life back in shape. It's not impossible.

and I don't think it will be solved until then

Lets send criminals to mars

Fuck that

to form a society like they did down under

Send them to an asteroid. Make Mars Great Again.

And why is it so much better to kill them than to try and fix the system?