roll on Heinleinian government

either you torture a man who deserves it for years, in which case you are still torturing a man, or you torture an innocent man, in which case you have already destroyed his future if too much time has past so now you are releasing him to even more torture via poverty.

and the social consequenses of being imprisioned even if found innocent are perminent

once you have jailed an innocent man for 50 years, you have already done too much damage. So make that the min time before death is applied.

or something like that.

So what, because there's no perfect option we shouldn't try at all?

we should always try

he's just saying that we should kill everyone that is sentenced for more than 2 decades. At least that's my interpretation of what @Grenade123 is saying

And I don't think it's entirely fair to classify incarceration as torture.

What if the guy doesn't want to die?

What if he's found innocent 10 years in?

no, AFTER they have served 50 years

Why?

How did you choose this as the cut off point?

well, we could hash out the exact number

itll never be perfect

but we should try ^^

i'd go with 10-20 years before execution. i think 50 is to long

this is just based on if you have taken half their life in years torturing them, they are probably too old to really live life anymore. They will have a hard time getting a job, even if they were jailed in their 20s. And they will just be a drain on any family they have left. assuming they even talk to them anymore

Who are you to choose when it's OK to execute people?

who are you to choose to keep someone confined to a box for their entire life?

how is that at all better

I'm not. And most would say it's a lot better

is it?

you know that your argument kinda falls flat as life expectancy increases right?

That's a matter of opinion isn't it

and knowing your children are suffering because you are in prison would be torture

But if you kill someone you're taking away anyone's choice who wants to live

@.B then you increase the time given to find innocence.

or find the max time after the fact innocence has been found.

I don't like that we don't have a better option than jail. I don't. That doesn't mean I'm OK with execution.

why are you determined to kill them?

grenades point is that after being imprisoned for that long they wont have a life left.

because they A) cost money B) i don't find torture better than killing

jail != torture

But execution costs more money if you give them due process

The standard for execution is much higher than jailing

as it should be

find me innocent after 10 years okay cool. now you have to fix the damage thats done to my family. if you kill me they at least get a fat payout

I don't want to live in a country with a gulag where we can just drag people out to put a bullet in them because some people think that's fine

you would still be alive after 10 years servered tho