Message from @Grenade123

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2018-12-04 20:55:49 UTC  

In our system, any spill over votes a candidate gets goes to the hext candidate on the list. Each party put up at least as many candidates as there are seats up for election. That means that votes excessive votes and party votes get distributed to the next person on the list.
A classic example is one very popular candidate gets elected and takes 3-4 extra seats for his party.
Another classic example is a candidate at the bottom on the list blows past all the others and win a seat.

2018-12-04 20:56:41 UTC  

Here we don’t have primaries. The election and lust placement of candidates is an internal party matter

2018-12-04 20:56:56 UTC  

so really only 1 person for that party gets elected, and the rest are just elected by the party if they get extra?

2018-12-04 20:57:42 UTC  

Yes, but all candidates most be announced before the elction.

2018-12-04 20:58:19 UTC  

like your preferred party has 1 guy you like. so you vote for him. And everyone else mostly voted for him. You voting for him can end up getting like 3 more people that no one voted for into office?

2018-12-04 20:58:44 UTC  

Hence it matter what order your name is on the ballot.

2018-12-04 20:59:03 UTC  

Yes in theory.

2018-12-04 21:00:37 UTC  

Wouldn't everyone voting for all 7 seats be better? Assuming only 1 person per seat.

2018-12-04 21:00:49 UTC  

A classic example would be the party PVV in the Netherlands, most people vote for that party for Gert Wilders, but the party have other representatives elected also.

2018-12-04 21:01:33 UTC  

Correct me if i am wrong. @Dr.Wol

2018-12-04 21:01:46 UTC  

i was summoned

2018-12-04 21:02:16 UTC  

Then you get a two party system again. @Grenade123

2018-12-04 21:02:29 UTC  

yeah i believe thats how its done in the PVV

2018-12-04 21:03:14 UTC  

but his party has a 1-policy maker though,

the other representatives just have Wilder's policies

2018-12-04 21:03:19 UTC  

Hi Dr I was being a smart ass in regards to dutch politics, I choose that cause Gert Wilders international known

2018-12-04 21:03:38 UTC  

they're basically just mouthpieces for him

2018-12-04 21:05:17 UTC  

@4AM_critter πŸ‰ do you? you could fix that by saying you can only put up say 4 or 5 candidates. That would force people vote across party lines, meaning they will most likely vote for A) moderates or B) a 3rd or 4th party if they really hate their main rivels.

2018-12-04 21:05:28 UTC  

I am trying to explain the electoral system by D'Hondts, a belgian, that is used in most european countries

2018-12-04 21:05:53 UTC  

better than me getting Hiliary or Pence elected into an office because my preferred candidate happened to win really well.

2018-12-04 21:07:18 UTC  

to me, your system sounds like a bait and switch. A way the Dems could put Bernie at the face and get Hillary into an position of power kind of deal.

2018-12-04 21:08:05 UTC  

rather than 7 elected representatives from two parties, you get potentially only 1 elected representative, and 3 or 4 cronies.

2018-12-04 21:09:04 UTC  

you think THATS bad?

the previous dutch cabinet was a coalition between
"Business democrats"
and
"The labor party"

cuz people voted both of those in the most, but neither could make a majority

2018-12-04 21:09:14 UTC  

so people voted for Right-wingers and ended up with socialists

2018-12-04 21:09:29 UTC  

Imagine going to vote for President and you and everyone could chose between Hillary, Bernie, Trump, Bush and others. Would Hillary or Bernie or a third candidate win?

2018-12-04 21:10:34 UTC  

thats how it currently works? well, minus the primaries bs

2018-12-04 21:10:54 UTC  

"35% votes right-wing, 25% votes socialist"

congrats, you now have socialist policies

2018-12-04 21:11:13 UTC  

but that is just for parties. there is no limit to people who can run. Bernie could have run independent i believe. and there is write in.

2018-12-04 21:13:44 UTC  

tbh, i'd rather abolish parties

2018-12-04 21:13:49 UTC  

but i don't see that happening

2018-12-04 21:14:15 UTC  

Prop rep really only makes sense if A: you don't care about regional representation and B: you care about parties

2018-12-04 21:14:19 UTC  

abolishing parties is like abolishinggovernment: a nice idea until two or more people team up and break the new system

2018-12-04 21:14:51 UTC  

pretty much

2018-12-04 21:15:25 UTC  

The presidential election was a poor example from my side. It is always a β€œwinner take it all” situation. The better use would be house of reps.
Take the New York election. Would AOC be elected if she was not the dems first candidate?

2018-12-04 21:16:12 UTC  

Very few election systems actually mentions parties/election lists. Humans by nature are social and will form groups.

2018-12-04 21:16:23 UTC  

with your system? most likely still have gotten in anyway.

2018-12-04 21:16:42 UTC  

although i'm not sure how things work given that term limits don't end all at once with our system

2018-12-04 21:16:57 UTC  

so you are voting for only a few seats at a time usually

2018-12-04 21:17:34 UTC  

so you'd have to reset the cycle

2018-12-04 21:18:17 UTC  

Sorry I got to go, it was a nice chat.

2018-12-04 22:26:00 UTC  

@Beemann maybe we should go completely back to the original way president and vp were selected

2018-12-04 22:26:45 UTC  

Tbh though the actual issue is consolidation of federal power