```"We are for the withering away of the state, and at the same time we stand for the strengthening of the dictatorship, which represents the most powerful and mighty of all forms of the state which have existed up to the present day. The highest development of the power of the state, with the object of preparing the conditions of the withering away of the state: that is the Marxist formula. Is it contradictory? Yes, it is contradictory. But this contradiction is a living thing and wholly reflects the Marxist dialectic."
-Joseph Stalin.```
```"His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself — that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink."
-George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four.```

So I just watched Tim's video about Patreon from today/yesterday (it's 5 AM so yesterday ish) and I think I know why Patreon is down. Somebody's DDOSing them. I think the reason why the payments are getting slowed down is because they're processing payments with the same server(s) that their website is hosted from. Unless somebody comes out and takes credit for it, like they did with LizardSquad et al, I kinda doubt they'll ever figure out who's doing this shit. It might also explain why Patreon is being so cagey about telling people what's going on, cuz if you tell people you're the target of a DDOS, you're A) feeding the trolls and B) making yourself a target for more DDOS campaigns. Just because they have cloudflare doesn't mean anything, I've seen websites targeted by 4chan go down that had cloudflare, including 4chan itself.

Well, not is, but keeps going down

https://mises.org/library/nafta-myth

Globalism

@halfthink

Agenda 21 yo.

Is this a battle royal chat or something

https://youtu.be/UHoc0FZG3OU

Does he even still have any platforms or did he get nuked

He's still fighting the good fight.

Well hope he gets a platform back so I can see more of his goofy memes

https://youtu.be/MKEgG6sJ968

https://youtu.be/zqTmZoQn5Y0

Loved the speech last night, he hit the majority of the issues, and the look on AOC and bernie's face when he said that the US would never accept Socialism was priceless.Was very disappointed in the Democrats when none stood up when he called for the elimination of late term abortions. The sanctity of a child's life, they may not want the child but others who can not have children I am pretty sure would adopt. As for the border wall, they should just assign 25 billion put the use of it in the hands of border patrol with oversight so it is not misused. But let them put walls where needed and be able to finance technological advances such as seismic monitors, infrared cameras and motion detectors. On top of this hiring of more personnel. Also enact a law that being caught comes with a prison term of 3 years prior to deportation. Instant deportation does not work as they will just head back to do it all again. Catch and release need repealing as they just disappear. Making it mandatory that they apply for citizenship in their home country not at the border would do wonders.

Service guarantees citizenship is what I want.

i'm an anarchist but heinlein's vision sure as hell is appealing

Didn't like 79% of American approve of the SotU speech?

I only saw a brief bit live last night, the part when he said the U.S. would never accept socialism and everyone stood and clapped and Bernie looked so grumpy

i listened to the whole thing while playing vidya, so i didn't see the reactions, but it was alright, as far as sotus go

I felt like his ego leaked into it a little much

He did a lot of the whole self-congratulating and then stepping back a moment to let everyone clap about how awesome he is

but that's pretty much expected, otherwise it wouldn't be djt

yeah tbh

I mean not to say he isn't right most of the time

but it's not very humbling lol

Heinlein's vision of citizenship strikes me as the most faithful to civnat.

I was wrong, it wasn't 79% it was 76

lmao

every now and then you get the little bits of hope that Trump might win 2020

Personally he could talk about V-J's the whole time, and tweet about ding dongs... what comes out his mouth just like pelosi and schumer is all worthless trash , its the actions and things that has been done to preserve the republic, better the citizens life, and uphold some symblance of values that matter more to me.

@devpav how so?

Most civnats pay all sorts of lip service to ideological purity tests for citizenship. They never get around to saying how they'd implement them.

Yeah, I can see that, funny you mention that because I think Heinlein's vision imo most closely aligns with minarchy than anything else

not sure why our immigration is so hard to fix... hell you can do what china does.... you can live here but you will not be a citizen. lol

It's basically a watchman state without universal suffrage