re-education camps for gay kids can cause real trauma and suicidal thoughts

i would most certainly consider it as bad as wanting kids to die

This kind of give and take bullshit is what they do with gunlaws

"it's not a gun ban, how could you think that"

The social pressure to adopt transgenderism causes real trauma and suicidal thoughts.

also i do understand that traditional gender roles statistically lead to happier people but i still think *enforcing* them and making people conform to them is extremely shitty and sexist

Any experience that is abusive can cause trauma and suicidal thoughts. And most experiences can be done in a way that is not abusive

@devpav thats true as well

yeah well re-education camps are definitely abusive by their basic concept

you can be as nice as you want to the kids but at the end of the day youre trying to convince them that their way of love is wrong and bad and they need to be like everyone else

@Pendell What you're talking about is a political belief

what

You believe that homosexuality is something people are born with in spite of evidence that people can change their sexual preferences. and therefore your conclusion is that asking someone to change is an abuse

When it's cutting off the clit of a young girl it's horrible, but chopping off the end of an infants dick it's fine. And you have a problem with me saying gentital mutilation without consent is not okay because I'm now treating those as "equal"?

people can change their sexual preference, but not willingly

Then what does bisexual mean?

you cant *force* someone to change their sexual preference

bisexual is a sexual preference for both, or just lack of preference

it's also worth nothing most bisexual people note going through phases of shifting preference
**which are entirely out of their control**

Some christians volunteer to attend workshops to get over their gay urges

And people on the left hate this

thats their life choices

That's not being forced in this situation

good for them

The permanency of sexual orientation is an LGBT dogma created to prevent gays from leaving the LGBT political plantation.

"asking someone to change it is abuse"

Asking? No. Forcing? Yes.

im talking about the people who *are* forced

dont change the subject to people who arent

But you made a blanket statement

im talking about *children* who are *forced* into these camps

what blanket statement

You said that the camps are abusive. You didn't say that their parents forcing them to attend was abusive

And *children* are *forced* to do all sorts of things. Because they're children.

yeah children have no say in any of this 99% of the time

@NPC007 the camps dont allow them to leave

As with most places, kids don't have a say in matters until they are financial independent, or 18

Sometimes 16/17

Still though... the massive flaw in this argument is that @Grenade123 brought this thing up and compared it to the covington situation which is a typical false equivalency between left and right. People like you will pick some fringe activity of some small group on the right and compare it to something mainstream on the left.

*relatively small

its a small group on the left too, the problem is politicians which bend the knee to these small but loud groups

My family is christian and I have never heard of anybody in our church or community even thinking of sending someone to gay conversion camps. there was a gay teen at my family's church