When I claim that Alt-Right is not actually conservative because they don't promote responsibility of their own actions (instead blame The Jew)... you twist that to me saying conservatives blame everything on Jews when that's exactly opposite of my point.

Alt right IS conservative.

Im convinced everyone hates Israel now

@Chiharu LOL.

Your a derp.

Socialism is conservative.

@halfthink Seems like whicc thinks so chkl

"altright is not conservative" rofl

@Existence is identity Well, Europe and the Middle East use Israel as a scapegoat for their own problems.

And they have nothing to do with the american alt right.

Unless they're voting pro Brexit

Is Chiharu insane?

In any conflict you support the civilized man

"alt right" is just conservatism for grwon ups

grownups*

^

How does pro-Brexit connect with Alt-Right? Brexit is about secession. Alt-Right is not inherently secessionist but ethnonationalists.

Ok, so you're both pro-Alt-Right.

https://youtu.be/5jTZPtkgBjQ

Ew an Anarchist

They're both anarchists, although I suspect Larken is a closet commie.

@halfthink What do you consider a commie?

Anyone who denies the fact value distinction.

@halfthink Expand

And statists.

Same thing though, if they are being logically consistent.

Objective value implies pretty much all of marxist theory

This?

Yeah.

Whats wrong about that?

This is causing x problem? We ought to fix it

Value is subjective, bruh. Define "problem"

The car broke

Define "broke"

Stopped working in this context

You can logically go from ought to ought, but not is to ought.

```"What may at first occur on this head, is, that as nothing can be contrary to truth or reason, except what has a reference to it, and as the judgments of our understanding only have this reference, it must follow, that passions can be contrary to reason only so far as they are accompany'd with some judgment or opinion. According to this principle, which is so obvious and natural, `tis only in two senses, that any affection can be call'd unreasonable. First, When a passion, such as hope or fear, grief or joy, despair or security, is founded on the supposition or the existence of objects, which really do not exist. Secondly, When in exerting any passion in action, we chuse means insufficient for the design'd end, and deceive ourselves in our judgment of causes and effects. Where a passion is neither founded on false suppositions, nor chuses means insufficient for the end, the understanding can neither justify nor condemn it. `Tis not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger. `Tis not contrary to reason for me to chuse my total ruin, to prevent the least uneasiness of an Indian or person wholly unknown to me. `Tis as little contrary to reason to prefer even my own acknowledge'd lesser good to my greater, and have a more ardent affection for the former than the latter. A trivial good may, from certain circumstances, produce a desire superior to what arises from the greatest and most valuable enjoyment; nor is there any thing more extraordinary in this, than in mechanics to see one pound weight raise up a hundred by the advantage of its situation. In short, a passion must be accompany'd with some false judgment. in order to its being unreasonable; and even then `tis not the passion, properly speaking, which is unreasonable, but the judgment."
-David Hume.```

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isQVs4UdHvA&

There are some specific scenarios you can go from is to ought, but generally not