Message from @>Cytos, de lieve goede synth

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2018-07-13 12:28:35 UTC  

BUT

2018-07-13 12:28:47 UTC  

he wont be able to perform simple addition subtraction maths

2018-07-13 12:29:16 UTC  

even though both of those tasks, for cognitive 'normals' involve the same process

2018-07-13 12:30:03 UTC  

now lets go a little bit more controversial

2018-07-13 12:30:06 UTC  

twin studies

2018-07-13 12:30:12 UTC  

you take genetic twins

2018-07-13 12:30:18 UTC  

they are adopted

2018-07-13 12:30:32 UTC  

one goes to a upperclass household, the other to a middle class household for example

2018-07-13 12:30:45 UTC  

then measure their IQ when they are adults

2018-07-13 12:31:09 UTC  

they have the same genes (read: nature) but different environments (read: nurture)

2018-07-13 12:31:58 UTC  

the higher class people tended to have higher IQs, but class only accounts for 20-50% of the difference , depending on the studies

2018-07-13 12:32:34 UTC  

so yes, taking a baby and dropping it in the desert will effect its IQ, to use Tims analogy

2018-07-13 12:33:21 UTC  

but taking that same baby and putting it in a rich family will increase its IQ, but depending on its genetic background

2018-07-13 12:33:53 UTC  

aka if you have less genes that result is less smarts, even putting you in a rich household will not make you just as smart as the other people in the same kind of households

2018-07-13 12:34:41 UTC  

rather yet, if you want more high IQ people, the best solution is to let rich people adopts the highest IQ babies

2018-07-13 12:34:52 UTC  

over the less high IQ ones

2018-07-13 12:35:02 UTC  

they will be more successful as a result (on average)

2018-07-13 12:35:09 UTC  

and benefit society as a whole more

2018-07-13 12:35:21 UTC  

how does one measure the IQ of a baby?

2018-07-13 12:35:32 UTC  

like i said earlier

2018-07-13 12:35:40 UTC  

IQ is a measurement of general inteligence

2018-07-13 12:35:51 UTC  

so you make the babies compete in cognitive tasks

2018-07-13 12:35:56 UTC  

for example

2018-07-13 12:36:05 UTC  

yes, but like what? can it find the tit on its own?

2018-07-13 12:36:21 UTC  

nah thats all nurture pretty much, they can suck tiddy from the getgo

2018-07-13 12:36:26 UTC  

they can also grasp from the getgo

2018-07-13 12:36:37 UTC  

at what age do these tests count?

2018-07-13 12:36:45 UTC  

as soon as they can do a trick pretty much

2018-07-13 12:36:54 UTC  

there are some tricks we all learn as babies

2018-07-13 12:37:05 UTC  

like object permanence

2018-07-13 12:37:34 UTC  

the faster a baby understands object permanence, the higher its IQ is projected to be, if it does not eat any lead paint while growing up

2018-07-13 12:37:57 UTC  

although its IQ will likely still be higher then those that understand object permanence later, and consume the same amount of lead paint

2018-07-13 12:37:58 UTC  

on average

2018-07-13 12:38:00 UTC  

so no toys made in china

2018-07-13 12:38:12 UTC  

a other more simpler test

2018-07-13 12:38:34 UTC  

is to put a lil sticky ball on the forhead of the baby, that it cant sense cause of weight of feeling or anything

2018-07-13 12:38:39 UTC  

and then put the baby infront of a mirror

2018-07-13 12:39:03 UTC  

if the baby swats away the ball using his reflection, he understands the "mirror trick"

2018-07-13 12:39:18 UTC  

the faster a baby learns that, the higher its IQ

2018-07-13 12:39:33 UTC  

first word is another one

2018-07-13 12:39:43 UTC  

now here is a question: does the IQ of when you are an adult ever matter when trying to figure out the likely intelligence range of their kid?