Message from @Grenade123
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deminishes it slightly
technically all of this is "theoretical" until you can point to me the "IQ genes"
show me the genes is BS too
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but lets not distract ourselves yet
so.... its in their DNA.... but its not their DNA?
certain actions deminish it more then others
eating lead paint chips will deminish a lot, not eating the required amount of vitamin C that one time in august 21th when you where 7 years old will do so a lot less
rich babies have less deminishing nurtures, but their theoretical (unobtainable) maximum IQ is still the same
question: Have these tests taken into account nurture starting from conception? I.E. mothers health? because twin studies are helpful, but without controlling for the mothers health habits there is a pretty important period of development in which nurture can very much affect the resulting baby before IQ tests can be measured.
mothers health effects both twins equally, unles you can prove me otherwise
yes... which means they can be damaged or improved equally.
potentially away
yes, but you can not use mothers health to explain a difference in IQ
as it effects both infants equally
you fail to understand the point
up until they are born, they are nurtured equally.
this may interest you https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/
post being born, ideally they are split up and sent to their adoptive families...
correct, which is how you get the two different IQs. but the best for both of them is set during pregnancy.
a friend of mine is studying genetics
if you don't control for the mother, what happens when she does damage to the developing child.
or the environment does
not exactly, as soon as the genetic material is combined the theoretical maximum IQ could be calculated, asuming perfect knowledge
have they accounted for this?
you mean the adoptive mother?
not the genetic one?
no
accounted for the effect of environment on the development of the children while in the womb
i doubt alcohol and paint chips are good for the IQ of a developing fetus
it was the same environment, on the same genetics, before they have had a chance to experience different stimuli, so they are effectivly nurtured equally till birth
grenade they control for the mother
okay
if they are social scientists worth their salt they would control for anything they can afford to control for
that oversight is not lost on people whove dedicated 10+ years of their lives in order to come up with this kind of data
lets see, there was the thingy about "show me the gene"
regardless of wether or not you even know what genes are, you can predict something that functions like genes exist based on reproduction results
hold on, let me finish on my previous point before you pivot
aite sure
Cytos you still failed to see my point. So let me phrase it this way. Take 2 twin pregnancies. One of a higher IQ mother, and one of a Lower IQ mother, now, hypothetically, take these 2 pregnancies and run them through 2 different timelines. One in which both mothers receive the best healthcare throughout the pregnancy, one in which they both drink. If there is a genetic component, then in both of those tests, the higher should, on average, remain higher, and the lower remain lower.