Boss fights are the same shit. Use new thing, done

What

That's so dumb

In every single possible manner

That doesn't mean the bosses were all bad, just that the tool you used was obvious

That's literally any game with dungeons

It meant that the bosses had a fair amount of variety to them in how to open their weak points

egoraptors one true critism that i agree with for legend of zelda is that how if shooting an eyeball above a door a puzzle?

It's not lol

yeah

How are you defining dungeons though?

@Arch-Fiend it wasn't a puzzle. It was meant to make you accustomed to new items

Likek the bow

yes but it was a bit too hands on

Like FF and BG have dungeons

to the point of assuming the player is retarded

What

A large thematic connection of rooms that have to be solved in a certain order which are placed separately from the rest of the game's world

It just had a slow learning curve

You get an item

They give a a bunch of easy tasks

Like shooting eyes

Yeah, and most FF dungeon bosses can be summed up by "use attack, and magic its weak to, but heal when you need to"

Then they increase the difficulty

Like having to shoot a torch

Then again

Where you have to shoot a torch through flame

And then you have to shoot moving targets

That's because FF generally steers towards easymode, but not all JRPGs do

there was a puzzle in the last temple of the game where all you do is move mirrors that you do not have to do anything more complicated than turning those mirrors to face the only logical direction for them to go, this was also the last puzzle of that temple. the only challange was the enemies of each room you enter

FF is one of the most simplistic and shallow JRPG series out there not that they're bad

And then you have to shoot moving target through flames

SMT also has dungeons, if you want to get into that

SaGa

What's your point?

No one said Zelda had the only dungeons

infact there were harder puzzles earlier in that temple

I'm fond of Etrian Odyssey myself.

The claim was that "all games with dungeons" work in the Zelda manner

It's really hard to explain to people why it's fun though.

EO is sweet