Singapore has a compulsoury national service

Thats what he wants, but with democratic control over the workplaces

They have great roads

And that also counts firefighters

Their trains have gone pretty bad recently though

roads are private? , my point is they have socialism in aspects

government paying for infrastructure

Government giving things isn't socialism mate

@Blackhawk342 You actually have those in the US in places.

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

They usually don't grow very big. But can sorta work on very small scales at times.

I dont like when socialists make that argument

As long as it doesnt grow larger than a village it can work

@Blackhawk342 That's your communists' definition of Communism?

The govt providing certain services people are forced to pay for is not socialist

No thats the dictionary definition of socialism

im not a anything its been warpedf rom that

That's just statist

Not socialist

socai demcocracy is what bernie ran on

socail

What my person wants to see is a nordic model but with democratic control of workplaces

social democrat or some shit

I think we need to sorta separate things a bit.

There's a couple key things here:

he wants to pay for ur shit

aka social

He wants rich people to pay "their fair share"

@Blackhawk342 How long would a workplace last democratically?

@GingaBomber taxs r theft tho

How long will a company last democratically?

Imagine how hard it is to start a company only for you to be kicked out

That depends, i know there are certain companies like that

VICE ran a story about a democratically controlled bakery

I wonder if they'll even make it through month without factions forming in the companies

when the has private banks printing unlimited debt money tax is bullshit just saying.

(1) Government provision of services
(2) Ownership of Personal Property
(3) Ownership of productive property
(4) Government based redistribution (charity is something else)

Like how about customers?

There's a bookstore in Seattle that is in trouble that has been a coop.

they can spend all the military money on tax and its like 1% of what taxes get govt wide

Shareholders should be in charge