Message from @Grenade123

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2018-08-01 00:01:03 UTC  

I posit that every first world western country has the ability to train anyone to do any job.

2018-08-01 00:01:22 UTC  

There is no western country that, for example, lacks the ability to train machinists.

2018-08-01 00:02:20 UTC  

It's ridiculous to assert that first world countries lack the ability to train workers and therefore must seek workers from less developed nations. It's nonsense.

2018-08-01 00:02:41 UTC  

Yeah its more lack of a willing workforce

2018-08-01 00:02:54 UTC  

We just have companies that don't want to PAY for it, and they have regulatory capture.

2018-08-01 00:02:58 UTC  

Jobs like train conductors are in very very high demand

2018-08-01 00:02:59 UTC  

you cant train "anyone" people that are not intrested or somewhat disabled for the job cant do.

2018-08-01 00:03:01 UTC  

you are right... they can just outsource instead

2018-08-01 00:03:17 UTC  

then hope there is not a trade war

2018-08-01 00:03:30 UTC  

Exactly. Which is why if you want to fix plenty of societal problems, you have to fix immigration.

2018-08-01 00:03:55 UTC  

Yeah, FIX IT!

2018-08-01 00:04:09 UTC  

how does preventing a company from bring people local fix the problem of them just never offering the job local to begin with?

2018-08-01 00:04:41 UTC  

"well, we can't save money by importing people....guess we'll just pick up and move to them instead. its still cheaper"

2018-08-01 00:05:00 UTC  

have a law saying they must post the job localy for 30 days before searching abrod or something

2018-08-01 00:05:21 UTC  

Christ.

2018-08-01 00:05:29 UTC  

that doesn't solve the problem

2018-08-01 00:05:32 UTC  

Don't just make a new law forcing people to do this or that.

2018-08-01 00:05:34 UTC  

training can take years

2018-08-01 00:05:35 UTC  

XD not sure that would want to make them stay

2018-08-01 00:06:04 UTC  

you'd have to be like "the job has to be open for over 5 years before you can bring in a non-citzen"

2018-08-01 00:06:24 UTC  

thats... a long time

2018-08-01 00:06:39 UTC  

That's the time of training.

2018-08-01 00:06:45 UTC  

^

2018-08-01 00:07:02 UTC  

Ever heard of people who want 3 years of experience in a program that has only existed for 3 months?

2018-08-01 00:07:13 UTC  

Nobody has ever heard of apprenticeships and OJT?

2018-08-01 00:07:32 UTC  

Oh we don't train in america anymore.

2018-08-01 00:07:36 UTC  

apprenticeships have not be a major thing in the long time

2018-08-01 00:07:43 UTC  

a lot of entry level jobs these days...well at least 3 years ago, had a requirement for 5+ years in the industry

2018-08-01 00:07:44 UTC  

I wonder why that is....

2018-08-01 00:07:57 UTC  

well you know, the 2008 recession meant they didn't NEED to

2018-08-01 00:08:00 UTC  

It's absolutely pathological.

2018-08-01 00:08:14 UTC  

plenty of people who had time in the field but didn't have work

2018-08-01 00:08:18 UTC  

thats only changed recently

2018-08-01 00:08:29 UTC  

Often the ridiculous requirements are a scam to justify applying to H1Bs.

2018-08-01 00:08:31 UTC  

Catch-22s are a disease.

2018-08-01 00:08:33 UTC  

XD "need prior experience for entry level position"

2018-08-01 00:08:38 UTC  

you used to be able to get "entry" level which was basically just a bachelor degree

2018-08-01 00:08:49 UTC  

then they would train you from there

2018-08-01 00:08:59 UTC  

basically the same as apprenticeship

2018-08-01 00:09:03 UTC  

XD when one of those positions pays 12 an hour >.>