I was gonna say, you're going to have to drop the price either way

yup

and I do believe its artificially high right now

due to lack of negotiation

I've completely forgotten this, but.

lack of ability to negotiate I should say

What is it that's caused the medical costs to go through the roof?

I also want Drs to be able to make money

many reasons

... The most disappointing answer of all.

at least in the US

its not just one thing

?

Well you didn't list the things..

do I have to?

I mean its pretty standard reasons

High cost of entry to become a doctor is one

Okay but

I've forgotten the standard reasons.

for-profit insurance, lack of competition, for-profit drug companies, for-profit education for drs, for-profit student loan companies (and btw I'm a capitalist, I just think most of the costs of obfuscated so not easy to compete)

Patients pay the bill ultimately for doctors going to school

Dirty tactics by insurance in general

insruance meanting health insurance and malpractice

hospitals charge different rates and many times you can't just "shop around" because the billing codes are "hidden" unless you know how to navigate the beauracracy

and that's just for starters

and again, I'm for competition and not for socialism, but that's not what we're talking about here

Ah, one more thing I can blame the colleges for.

I want these companies to be able to make money to provide a service

Seriously what the shit are we doing.

High dependency on doctors, one could point to insurance as part of it. Creates the thought process that if I am paying for it I might as well use it, causing high demand on a low supply of medical attention naturally raising prices

again, it's not just one thing

and it's spiraled

so people instinctively want to go the opposite way

to the extreme

Let me put it this way, how much should a Doctor make?

you know, I commend Bernie for actually sticking to his principle rather than being an Obama or hillary and try and give a non=answer

I'm in no way going to ever say we should limits someone's salary

he was pretty straight forward: People need healthcare, they most get it from their job, if you can't figure out how to offer it, you should not be offering people jobs.

the whole healthcare tied to job is wrong, imo

I was not going that route @LotheronPrime

very near sighted since it basically means if healthcare is too expensive for even business to offer then no one gets a job and they cannot afford anything