Message from @Atkins
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He's not that anti-trump but he makes a mountain out of a molehill sometimes
Not as much anymore but he was far worse in the past.
yeah - that he does
Creative, ture
his stance on trans people makes me hard
He's one of those people who have to preface things with "I don't like Trump but".
Creative, well I'm also one of those people 😉
I doubt Shapiro is controlled opposition, but he's definitely a paleo-con who has not adapted to the new political reality.
Creative, I don't like trump ... but I hate democrats more 😃
> Sometimes
He's one of those guys who would rather lose than compromise slightly on religious stances or 'civility'.
```Creative, he is not that anti trump - he seems likely to vote for trump in 2020 and has said so himself```
Wait how he will bash Trump when he tells Benjamin NO
Because he doesn't think losing is a big deal.
Atkins have you seen his discussions with Sam harris?
You don't have to like the guy but it annoys me when people have to say that so they don't get attacked instantly. Just say what you think.
Atkins, I think principles are more important than winning also
Shapiro seems to think that losing to the democrats is just a minor annoyance that has little to no affect on his life, livelihood, or future.
Atkins, you have a point there I guess
he was right in the past but right now he ie dead wrong
if the Dems win now its over for you in the US and the Dems will implement Censoring EU Style
Stefan, true
no you make good points - in this climate - winning matters
But that's because I didn't realize how far down the path of political decay the US was.
If this was 20-30 years ago Shapiro would be right.
but it's not.
if the dems implement censoring EU style im gonna fucking buy a gun
Hence the term paleo-con
but I dunno - I don't hold Shapiros insistence on principles against him - but I think it is important to recognize winning matters
I think part of Shapiro's stance might also be due to the fact that he's very well off financially and has plenty of fall-back options. He can go back into law. He can write books. If shit gets really bad he can just say "fuck it" and go to Israel.
The reality of the situation is that if we lose to the left we lose America.
So he's not desperate enough to reevaluate his stance.
no, because Ben doesn't really care about the US
Most people on the right don't have those fall-back options. Some working class joe working in a machine shop or a guy working in an office trying to keep his head down doesn't have anywhere left to retreat.
I wouldn't say he doesn't care. Just that he feels safe in his position.
Ben can go to Israel anytime if its getting to bad in the US
If you feel safe, why change?
Stefan, if USA goes far left - Isreal is in dire straights
Well, that's not an optimal situation for anyone. Israel depends on the US in a lot of ways.
Anyway, I agree with Styx for most parts.
the joos need merica